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Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:12 am

Looking for input on pickup selection for my upcoming SH550 build.
Basically shooting for a slightly weight relieved LP size single cut axe for
rock/hard rock duties typically fairly high gain through a mesa Mark V rig.
I am deleting the f holes for aesthetics and a little feedback control. I use a volume pedal to adjust gain responce as needed.
Music I listen too ranges from grunge,punkish,hard rock and some metal stuff.
Think, Alice in chains Them Bones, AFI Miss Murder, STP Sex type thing
My favorite all around go to guitar is my AE185 which can cover all but the heaviest stuff I play, just something about how that thing rings,
That guitar has C22T/C22N pups but I suspect the active preamp on that guitar makes it hit harder than some of my passive guitars. I also enjoy the M22SD/M22N for chunky rhythm and fat leads in my solid bodies but I am tempted order this guitar with them and try it out.
There’s just not a lot of info in this particular territory about this guitar but I suspect it’s construction will allow it to perform well, but the pickups will likely be the largest factor in the guitar itself.
Here are the current electric guitars I am using and their pups.
DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N,
DC600 M22SD/M22V
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N
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DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:56 am

It sounds like you're already in the SH550 camp, but I post these only because you mention "lp size":

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:20 pm

It would certainly be interesting to see a overlay like that with a SH compaired to a LP.
The CS is a very nice guitar I just like the overall shape of the SH550 more.
Spud what do you have anything pups in mind for a potential SH6?
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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:53 pm

I'm not as picky as most in terms of pickups. I've got S22, Lithium bridge H and Lithium single coil middle and neck, S60 singles. I'd probably just go with the Beryllium and I'd likely be satisfied....I'm definitely the wrong guy to ask about pickups. If it's not microphonic and doesn't squeel with feedback, I'm generally happy. :lol:

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:05 pm

dbone wrote:That guitar has C22T/C22N pups but I suspect the active preamp on that guitar makes it hit harder than some of my passive guitars. I also enjoy the M22SD/M22N for chunky rhythm and fat leads in my solid bodies but I am tempted order this guitar with them and try it out.


You also of course know that this pickup array was used in the SH225 (well, I guess with the SD and the T according to taste, but always the N in the neck), so its charms in a semihollow are proven.

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:01 pm

Good find Doctor Turn, and I was just digging up old threads on M22T vs M22SD.
Chris Hong had mentioned that about the SH225 to me the other day but that video really brings it home.
If you ever notice one of those pop up in a lefty I want you to let me know. The M22T might be a possibility also. Thanks
And and let me add fat mother of pearl blocks on ebony temptation to boot.
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AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:02 pm

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=47078&start=20

Some interesting comments from Bredo in this thread
“M22T vs. M22SD?
Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:33 pm
The M22T has a tad flatter frequency curve that the M22SD:
A little less low lows.
A little more low mids (not much).
A little less highs (not much).
A little less output (not much - can scream like hell)

The M22SD has a low mid scoop, that suits 80s metal+++ like a glove. Especially through Marshall'ish type amps.

The M22T suits the same in great fashion, and it is maybe the PU I have had that suits the most amps and music styles ever. Clean to uber dist, split and with great volume dynamic response.

As a player I favore the M22SD, but the sound engineer and music producer in me I LOVE the M22T (due to the more versatility).

Anyway, these are my two all time fav bridge humbuckers. “
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DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby amispy » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:56 am

dbone wrote:Looking for input on pickup selection for my upcoming SH550 build.

I thought the M22 and C22 series pickups were no longer available. I liked 'em a lot. Glad I have some Carvins with those pups in them.

With that said, I thought the Berylliums were put in the lineup to cover the M22/C22 pup territory. I think the Lithiums and Thoriums will be too bright for what you're wanting. I don't have any personal experience with the B's, but I have an Aries with Berylliums on order.
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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:07 am

Has there been official word that the 22 series pickups are no more? A while ago they said that they were no longer going to be replenishing stock, but that they still had Parts left to continue making them for at least a few months, maybe a year or so, (was all going to depend on how quickly they sold through their stock. I know they've been taken off the Builder for almost all models though, except maybe the bolt and dc127. I honestly haven't check there recently..

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby Doctor Doug » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:48 am

spudmunkey wrote:Has there been official word that the 22 series pickups are no more? A while ago they said that they were no longer going to be replenishing stock, but that they still had Parts left to continue making them for at least a few months, maybe a year or so, (was all going to depend on how quickly they sold through their stock. I know they've been taken off the Builder for almost all models though, except maybe the bolt and dc127. I honestly haven't check there recently..


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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:02 am

amispy wrote:
dbone wrote:Looking for input on pickup selection for my upcoming SH550 build.

I thought the M22 and C22 series pickups were no longer available. I liked 'em a lot. Glad I have some Carvins with those pups in them.

With that said, I thought the Berylliums were put in the lineup to cover the M22/C22 pup territory. I think the Lithiums and Thoriums will be too bright for what you're wanting. I don't have any personal experience with the B's, but I have an Aries with Berylliums on order.


If I could find a demo of the Beryllium's playing hard rock I might consider them but I have not been able to find one yet.
It’s all been very low gain stuff. Actually I just watched one that spud had posted in the beryl thread. I don’t think they will be quite what I am looking for.
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DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:44 am

next I need to decide on Evo gold or stainless frets on Nin royal ebony. The hardware is black and the Volume tone knobs are tamarind. I think functionally both are fine. Looks wise the evo seems to.. blend into the board more on royal ebony. the logo will be silver or gold based on this decision.
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DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
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AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby X1Glider » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:31 pm

Does it have to be a Kiesel pickup? Lots of pros have been playing hard rock with hollow and semi hollow for decades. Billy Duffy of the Cult, Ted Nugent, Alex Lifeson, Jim Heath (Reverend Horton Heat) and Rik Emmett to name a few. Maybe do a search on what they use and decide if it's a tone you like.

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby texastoast » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:29 pm

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I have a sh645 with gold covered s22's. Not quite metal great but they have a really good crunch to them that I like. I play with dropped tuning and such. It sounds surprisingly good on a bogner ubershall with the gain cranked.
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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:25 pm

X1Glider wrote:Does it have to be a Kiesel pickup? Lots of pros have been playing hard rock with hollow and semi hollow for decades. Billy Duffy of the Cult, Ted Nugent, Alex Lifeson, Jim Heath (Reverend Horton Heat) and Rik Emmett to name a few. Maybe do a search on what they use and decide if it's a tone you like.


Rick Emmett and Alex Lifeson are certainly two of my heroes : )
I am open minded to the idea of trying some other brands at some point if I feel I need to go there.
But I am going to stick with house pups for the initial build out. Then we will see...
The good and bad aspect of pickup brands these days are just the sheer amount of options. Where would I even start.
Ironically right now we have a pretty good selection of in house pickups available and unfortunately that’s going to be changing soon. Hopefully we will see more new pickup options rolling out in the near future.
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DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:03 pm

texastoast wrote:7348_photo_3_1.jpgI have a sh645 with gold covered s22's. Not quite metal great but they have a really good crunch to them that I like. I play with dropped tuning and such. It sounds surprisingly good on a bogner ubershall with the gain cranked.


That’s a gorgeous SH645 texas toast, I ran across a few of your posts while researching this build and was glad to read your comments about rockin out with that guitar!
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby dbone » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:08 pm

Drop shadow metallic silver or gold over royal ebony hmmm black hardware
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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby X1Glider » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:53 pm

dbone wrote:Rick Emmett and Alex Lifeson are certainly two of my heroes : )
Yeah, I admit they're not bad for a couple of Canadians. :lol:
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And another guy that can rock with a hollow and semi-hollow is Neil Young, but his distorted tones are raunchy of the ripped speaker variety, not smooth controlled distortion. And he did it with pickups that have pretty low DC Resistance 40-50 years ago. No reason you can't do it too.

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Re: Pickup selection for SH550 rock/hard rock

Postby HarlowTheFish » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:19 am

dbone wrote:Drop shadow metallic silver or gold over royal ebony hmmm black hardware

Stainless frets (imo, for feel)
Black hardware (I find it a little hardier and more durable than gold)
And if you'd be into it, the offset dot inlays (on both sides, not just the top) are super classy and you can get them in abalone or pearl to match a logo (and if you get pearl you can get pearl tuner buttons too).


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