Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

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Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby expez » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:03 am

I'm in the process of ordering a new guitar and I think the honeyburst looks great, but every picture I find seems to look slightly different. I'm guessing this is due to both different lighting conditions / different cameras as well as subtle differences in how the burst actually looks.

To that end, is this:

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a typical honeyburst, or should I be getting another finish to match this look? If so, which one?

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:38 am

Whatever it is, it's really nice. It doesn't look as subtle as an aged Gibson burst (origin of the hb, guitars like Greeny and The Beast.. the way faded cherry burst wind up looking today, the ones running up to the point before they changed the red to the one that survives the years much better, like your typical 60 burst), but that's hard to recreate.

This looks a little "sunset-ish" but that's probably because the colors are so new and strong.

In any event, just email one of the boys, and tell them that this is what you want exactly.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:00 am

It's often been said that the honeyburst usually photographs slightly more red than it looks in person, for what it's worth.

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:09 pm

Image typical new honeyburst out of the factory.

What it's mimicking:

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:11 pm

..and yet, this is "deep honeyburst flame" a la Carvin, CS:

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If you ask me, this is a slightly weathered traditional cherry burst. That's not a honeyburst as most think of it.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:23 pm

It seems like the lighting on those two last photos has a pink-ish white balance hue to them.

This is also honeyburst as posted on today's Facebook "pics of the day". It looks closer to color of the "modern" Gibson, albeit a wider burst, and "richer", but the simialr color hue.

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby expez » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:31 pm

Thanks so much for replying everyone, but these pictures are just making me even more confused, as they look different from one another and the picture in the OP!

Has anyone seen one in person and can tell me if the picture in the OP looks a honeyburst or maybe something else they've seen? :)

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:04 pm

To throw fuel on the fire, they also tweak finishes as they go along. :lol: Orangeburst seemed to go back and forth between having a red and a black burst when it was first launched. Deep Tiger's Eye used to be one of the most inconsistent finishes but it's settled into a finish that doesn't resemble most of the previous (but much nicer now, in my opinion). Black Magic Metallic is now more "magic/metallic" than it used to be when it first launched (and was even delisted for a time). It's entirely possible that the forumula for the Honeyburst color may have changed over the years. :mrgreen:

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:24 pm

If that FG or CS is honey burst, then just about anything with red/brown going into vintage yellow (ish) is honey burst

I guess my Super Swede is Honey Burst too

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NOT. Honey burst is very gentle and subtle, decades of a traditional burst (like mine, or that FG--which needs an F hole btw--) getting bleached by light, leaving only traces of the original gradient.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:45 pm

Don't even get me started on "Tobacco Burst". :lol:


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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:57 pm

I know!! I had opened up that specific line (and reproduced some of the pics you put just above) of the difference between the 2 color tobacco vs the three color tobacco, and the fact that Gibson has called them both tobacco at various times, on the thread Bob's (O'Hara) tsb scb.

It gets to the point where the only thing we can say with any certainty is that a guitar is a solid color.

But wait... Is plain heritage cherry transparent or not? :lol:
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby skully13a » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:11 pm

spudmunkey wrote:It seems like the lighting on those two last photos has a pink-ish white balance hue to them.

This is also honeyburst as posted on today's Facebook "pics of the day". It looks closer to color of the "modern" Gibson, albeit a wider burst, and "richer", but the simialr color hue.

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That's a beautiful guitar. I miss the f holes, though.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby arahobob » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:49 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:I know!! I had opened up that specific line (and reproduced some of the pics you put just above) of the difference between the 2 color tobacco vs the three color tobacco, and the fact that Gibson has called them both tobacco at various times, on the thread Bob's (O'Hara) tsb scb.

It gets to the point where the only thing we can say with any certainty is that a guitar is a solid color.

But wait... Is plain heritage cherry transparent or not? :lol:


Some of those old Carvin TTs look like garbage!! The description leaves much to be desired too - "A classic finish that fades from antique brown to black." :roll:

However, the current Tobacco Burst is just lovely! :mrgreen:
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby dbone » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:58 pm

In my experience Honeyburst in person is brown at the edges. In pictures online it often looks like there’s a bunch of red in it.
This first below photo is pretty accurate and the actual factory shots look pretty spot on but ai wish they would have the pics available all on one page where you could really look at them and compare . The OP pic looks closer to Vintage burst to me but very well could be a honey burst but when you see it in person the red will be gone and brown will remain crazy right? So the next question is what does a real vintage burst look like in person that’s what I want to know. Does it photograph more red then it actullay is? The FG1 looks closer to accurate also
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby KH » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:28 am

The honeyburst on my ST300.
Definitely, a little more red in there.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:54 am

Doctor Turn wrote:If that FG or CS is honey burst, then just about anything with red/brown going into vintage yellow (ish) is honey burst

I guess my Super Swede is Honey Burst too

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NOT. Honey burst is very gentle and subtle, decades of a traditional burst (like mine, or that FG--which needs an F hole btw--) getting bleached by light, leaving only traces of the original gradient.


Hah! I just noticed that little piece of paper that slipped under my tone knob! That's the push pull tone pot for the neck pup (which on my 150 is down below the neck volume, rather than behind it up top a la trad LP like the Swede) and some stray paper must have slipped under there. Maybe Waldo's head is on it.

KH, that 200 is definitely reminiscent of the CS, which is also reddish. To me they just look like slightly faded traditional bursts.. rather than the typical Gibson honeyburst which has all of the red washed out of it, mimicking the effect of lots of time/light on red paint.

Another CS6 honeyb:
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A CT Honeyburst which looks frighteningly similar to my SSwede:
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and YET.. this is "deep sunset-burst" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby expez » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:48 am

I put in an order for the honeyburst finish. Can't wait to get it!

Thanks for all your images, it looks like a beautiful finish!

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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby ElfDude » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:08 am

skully13a wrote:That's a beautiful guitar. I miss the f holes, though.


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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:39 am

..and yet, this leftover from NAMM last year (still in GIS, likely because of the price tag.. otherwise simply GORGEOUS) is called honeyburst as well... and is very honeybursty :mrgreen:

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That's a guitar that nailed honeyburst the best, I think, over all the other Carvin-Kiesels on this page.

Also--

ElfDude wrote:skully13a wrote:
That's a beautiful guitar. I miss the f holes, though.


Great minds think alike.


the first of all the great minds wrote: NOT. Honey burst is very gentle and subtle, decades of a traditional burst (like mine, or that FG--which needs an F hole btw--) getting bleached by light, leaving only traces of the original gradient.


Also, just for additional coversation, this specimen is still there... still $8500, still with no trial/ability to return. Yikes man.
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Re: Is this an accurate photo of a honeyburst?

Postby ElfDude » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:04 am

Doctor Turn wrote:Also, just for additional coversation, this specimen is still there... still $8500, still with no trial/ability to return. Yikes man.


I'd still love to own a 6-12 double neck someday.
But I'd have no idea what to do with that in stock.
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