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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:15 pm

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I don't hate the shirt. :lol:
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby mangdrew » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:18 pm

I thought the last several demos were that way.

But if you’re marketing towards that small niche player, that’s fine then.
But there are tons of 6 string playing traditional scale players
That can actually buy all these guitars.





texastoast wrote:
mangdrew wrote:
But still seems to tilt towards proggy rock djent
Styles with all or most of this new product.


Just look at the demo videos. Not exactly what I would be playing. But you can't please everyone. I would like more versatility in the demos and not so much a walk thru of a song. Kind of like this. Here is the cleans on neck and bridge. Here is the coil taps. Here is mild dist or crunch, here is some heavy sounds. And finally I shall play my new djent song from my new album.
It seems more like the player is doing a demo on his ability more than what the guitar can do. And to my old non hip ears they are all starting to sound alike.

Is it just me or are they going to cannibalize the vader sales with this one.

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:47 pm

texastoast wrote:
Doctor Turn wrote:Ick.
Is that some type of text thing like lol or is it ick as in icky or gross ?


Even though I'm not the biggest fan of that fire finish, I think the differentiation between the top and the bottom helps that shape in the new pic above.. my comment was "Ick," as in "Icky."

I sort of feel like we're seeing variations on the same theme, the same general aesthetic statement, for the same crowd, for the same applications. That's just my impression and I'm sure others will see it differently.

I've said it's nice seeing a builder break from the same T, S, and LP shapes again and again. I'm just not into the asymmetric top/bevel thing that he brought to the company with the Aries, so a lot of this is meh for me at best.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby UnexplodedCow » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:01 pm

The Zeus is a headless Tele family shape. The Osiris is the Strat family shape in headless. Originally the Vader would have been that, but I can clearly see its lines in the Osiris. Don't mind the shape, but I like the open are on the back end of the Vader more (and it should be ever-so-slightly lighter).

I think it'll definitely cannibalize sales off the Vader as it's A: $100 cheaper to start, and B: has a slightly more traditional body silhouette. Kind of surprised at all the models coming out.

EDIT: Just noticed the shirt Jeff was wearing in the picture.....now if they sold that shirt, I think I'd hop on the train.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:04 pm

UnexplodedCow wrote: I like the open are on the back end of the Vader more (and it should be ever-so-slightly lighter).


It might not be. The bevel takes away quite a bit of wood, too. I *think* Jeff said the Zeus was slightly lighter than a vader. :think:

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:09 pm

As for the T and S similarities: aside from one being a single cut and the other being a double cut, I don't catch a whiff of similarity or vibe from a fender or "classic" shape at all. The extreme width of the shapes, the proportions of the body, that oversized bridge, the two thin pieces of wood making body and top, etc, skews all familiarity.

However, I'm sure cow is right in that is what Jeff is looking to anchor each model into, ie Les Paul orTelecaster fans will dig the Zeus, and strat lovers will go for the Osiris... But there's too much else going on there in terms of differentiation for that to happen, at least for many people, I think.

Certainly for me, who loves both fenders.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Nombrecomun » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:47 pm

texastoast wrote:
Is it just me or are they going to cannibalize the vader sales with this one.


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing too. I might have considered this if it was available in October.

The Vader seems smaller although the description lists Osiris as being lighter. Can't really see how much lighter something can get. My 7 string Vader practically floats!

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby arahobob » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:17 pm

I'm fairly evenly split with all of the new models.

SCB - Love it. Just enough bevel.
Aries - neutral.
Vader - love it. My dream headless. Too bad the trem stinks.
Vanquish - cool funky vibe
Crescent - yuck
Zeus - double yuck.
Osiris - more in my wheelhouse. Mixed feelings with the mega bevel.

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby UnexplodedCow » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:26 pm

arahobob wrote:I'm fairly evenly split with all of the new models.

SCB - Love it. Just enough bevel.
Aries - neutral.
Vader - love it. My dream headless. Too bad the trem stinks.
Vanquish - cool funky vibe
Crescent - yuck
Zeus - double yuck.
Osiris - more in my wheelhouse. Mixed feelings with the mega bevel.

I don't worry much about model names. No one who sees them ever knows what the hell they are anyway.
They're just Kiesels.


How does the X trem stink on the Vader? It's also used on the HH, and others if I'm not mistaken. I've seen a couple threads with more questions than anything. What are the complaints?
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Rocky » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:05 pm

I think this is better than the Beluga, but still more work to follow. Back you the workbench Jeff !!!

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby arahobob » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:12 pm

UnexplodedCow wrote:
arahobob wrote:I'm fairly evenly split with all of the new models.

SCB - Love it. Just enough bevel.
Aries - neutral.
Vader - love it. My dream headless. Too bad the trem stinks.
Vanquish - cool funky vibe
Crescent - yuck
Zeus - double yuck.
Osiris - more in my wheelhouse. Mixed feelings with the mega bevel.

I don't worry much about model names. No one who sees them ever knows what the hell they are anyway.
They're just Kiesels.


How does the X trem stink on the Vader? It's also used on the HH, and others if I'm not mistaken. I've seen a couple threads with more questions than anything. What are the complaints?


I shouldve said "IMO" regarding the x trem.
I've detailed my experiences with it here before (ordered when it first came out)
Basically
The design of the grub screw to hold the bar in place just doesn't work well.
It's too loose or too tight, hard to acress, loosens up quickly, and showed immediate signs of significant wear.
Other issues I had were minor.
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Re: Osiris - new model

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Omsong » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm

Looks a heck of a lot better than the Zeus, IMO (and who cares!). I would consider getting one as a travel guitar.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:52 pm

It looks so so so much better with a two tone top, in this case the bevel w two different colors makes a huge difference.

I actually kinda like that olive hued burl sucker just above. It looks pretty swift.

Yes I reserve the right to go schizoid from one moment to the next. But that looks kinda sharp. I'd play that guitar.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby ilyti » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:12 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:Yes I reserve the right to go schizoid from one moment to the next. But that looks kinda sharp. I'd play that guitar.

If I had a nickel for every time I'd thought that about a Carvin/Kiesel model! That's the beauty of it. They are just so versatile that with a certain set of options any model can go from ugly to gorgeous. I still am not a fan of the simple combination of top wood + big huge bevel. On any model. And yet there are some ways of making that combination work. Still, with the Osiris I'm most keen to see some more no-top examples that are not crackle painted. Preferably in translucent colors. The blue Frank Flenckenstein one is the best specimen of the model so far, IMO.

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Bob77 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:50 pm

Omsong wrote:Looks a heck of a lot better than the Zeus, IMO (and who cares!). I would consider getting one as a travel guitar.


I'm with you on this one. It does look way better. And to me it also looks better than the Vader.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby marzzz » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:43 pm

Played it at NAMM today; really liked it. Going back tomorrow to try it again.

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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby silvergoat2k6 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:31 am

arahobob wrote:I'm fairly evenly split with all of the new models.

SCB - Love it. Just enough bevel.
Aries - neutral.
Vader - love it. My dream headless. Too bad the trem stinks.
Vanquish - cool funky vibe
Crescent - yuck
Zeus - double yuck.
Osiris - more in my wheelhouse. Mixed feelings with the mega bevel.

I don't worry much about model names. No one who sees them ever knows what the hell they are anyway.
They're just Kiesels.


SCB - I like it, would own one.
Aries - Own one (beveled), if I were to buy another one it would be non-beveled. Recommended.
Vader - my favorite of the current headless guitars, but I've never been into headless. Pass.
Vanquish - looks a lot better in person than in pics, but still not a fan of the body shape. Pass.
Crescent - a modern take on the CT series. A lot thinner than the CT series. Wish it came in a 22-fret version. Would still own one.
Zeus - Looks like a Beluga Whale, especially the white ones. Again, never been into headless. Pass.
Osiris - Better than the Zeus, but again, it's headless. Pass.

Still waiting for Jeff's take on an Explorer...and still waiting on Mark to design some P90-sounding pickups (even if they are humbucker-sized).

That being said, the new models will sell, and the bottom line is that is what really matters.
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:57 am

If they had a good p90 style pickup that I could throw in the neck, I'd seriously consider buying one of these... But I'd need to hear some sound samples of the Beryllium bridge. I'd still like my next guitar to be a Tele Custom style axe (the fact of it being a headless DC not relevant) in terms of sound. But again, I don't want to build a guitar without a trial on it via putting external pickups on it.

They really need to work on a p90 or just bring back the great old AP6... If there's no issue with it being the partial property of the Carvin side.

I don't think I'm going to buy a CS 6. I just don't need another single cut/LP style axe, and from that handmade euro Northen prototype, the Dc150k, the Les Paul and the 3 x P90-S customized hag, (plus the 24.75" vintage HIIN and Viking) the best I could hope for is something equally good, but it would just be redundant, and sonically there are no pickup options in current production in the 6 pole line that could hang with these superlative beasts.

But they do have some great examples of light, 25.5" bolt on, and I wouldn't mind having a nice light giggable headless.

Thoughts maturing... :think:
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Re: Osiris - new model

Postby Jack'O'Licious » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:45 am

Yes of course they would release this after I blew my money on a used Aries :wall:
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