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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby ChrisN » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:05 pm

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:12 pm

Those travel guitars either by accident or design totally copped the shape of the old Kramer Duke.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby colossal » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:53 pm

ElfDude wrote:Someone here called it the beluga whale hump on top, and I had to agree

I love the beluga :lol:

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby amon » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:36 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:Those travel guitars either by accident or design totally copped the shape of the old Kramer Duke.

You didn't scroll down far enough.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby gumbynotpokey » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:03 pm

No excuse remaining to not do a single cut bass in both solid body and in a semi hollow. Other than the fact that he doesn't like them. The low demand argument is dead for this level of innovation.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby amon » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:40 pm

gumbynotpokey wrote:The low demand argument is dead for this level of innovation.

Excellent point.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:54 pm

My guess is he won't build it if he doesn't like it in its basic, option-free format.

Don't think the company has ever built a semi hollow Starfire/Concord/Coronado style bass, have they?
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby dbone » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:21 pm

Judging by the shop walk through they are building a lot of solid body Zeus builds. Lots of real nice guitars moving through the shop.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby dbone » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:59 pm

ilyti wrote:A headless acoustic. I don't see the accusation that Jeff is unoriginal and derivative anywhere near here. I love the hell out of it actually... But I too wish it could just have a bucker in the bridge so you can pull double duty. It would be the ultimate travel/gig/jam/teaching guitar for me in that case, since about 50% of what I'm playing these days is acoustic and it sucks having to lug two guitars!


A Zeus dual humbucker with some sort of AE185 style electronics could certainly be a possible future but that would depend allot on the amount of people calling up and asking for it. He may say no right now but you never know what’s really in the plans until it shows up.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby ilyti » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:10 pm

dbone wrote:He is using the graph tech piezo and AC275 electronics module.

So... basically you should be able to get piezos on any of the headless now right? I was curious about the electronic since it doesn't use the acoustic bridge of the other thinline models.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby dbone » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:21 pm

ilyti wrote:
dbone wrote:He is using the graph tech piezo and AC275 electronics module.

So... basically you should be able to get piezos on any of the headless now right? I was curious about the electronic since it doesn't use the acoustic bridge of the other thinline models.


Jeff specifically said early in the video “no this does not mean you can get a piezo on other headless guitars”.
So for now the word is no but we’ll see how long that lasts. He said he’s using the CC275 controls module for this guitar.
But the fact remains that the bridge has a piezo in it so well that begs the question...

I look forward to hearing it plugged in. For a guitar like this that’s the important part. It’s a hybrid slimline headless acoustic with a bevel and a small body to boot. It’s not going to be very loud on the couch unplugged but you can still use it for that. I am curios to hear what the sum of this design yeilds plugged in.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby spudmunkey » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:52 pm

I imagine the CC275's piezo/control system takes up a healthy chunk of the electronics cavity, which could mean that if they did it on other headless models, they might need to forego the passive magnetic pickups. And I think then if that were the case, then most people would at least want to be able to play it unplugged...and since their other headless models are double-cut, there's not as much room for chambering or would look odd with a sound hole, so there wouldn't be much benefit for that aspect of it, or at least not enough perceived benefit, to warrant the design time/costs. He said he experimented with thicker bodies, but that it just didn't feel right, so perhaps this is as small as they are willing to put their name on in terms of body size for a semi-hollow "acoustic".

All of the above is purely conjecture since we know so little about it, or the decisions behind it.

All I know it, I'll be excited to see some of the 8-string, or multiscale versions, just out of morbid curiosity. If I were to get one, it would be a 6er.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby Rocky » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:01 pm

You know, I kinda like it. I wasn't all that enamored with the Zeus design and all the beluga whale vibes. For some reason this looks acceptable as an acoustic electric. Not sure why. :-)

I sure wish you could get a magnetic pickup option. Kiesel could compete with guitars like the Taylor T5Z. I think the T5Z is around $1800 bucks. They could beat Taylor by $300 bucks and produce a better instrument.

Put a magnetic pickup on it and I will order one.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby DannyB819 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:05 am

This company sure knows its place in the market if there's a universe in which this thing sells.

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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby gumbynotpokey » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:29 pm

DannyB819 wrote:This company sure knows its place in the market if there's a universe in which this thing sells.


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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby dbone » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:10 am

Kinda wondering about a thin laminate layer between the body and top for some pinstriping effect.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby Doctor Turn » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:46 am

DannyB819 wrote:This company sure knows its place in the market if there's a universe in which this thing sells.


What's kind of wigging me out is--without the possibility of use of a mag pickup to amp up and run with the signal thrown out from the strings on this thinner-than-I-originally-realized body, it's relying 100% on the sound that the guitar generates acoustically... which, due to the thin body, and the resonant/vibratory qualities of the soundboard wood being smothered by heavy top wood, isn't all that much. Probably going to be very close to an electric w a Piezo on alone.

It's a unique beast, hopefully will defy my impressions (I doubt Jeff would put it up if it was a dead stone).
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby dbone » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:20 am

If you look at some of the interior body shots of the AC275 for example you will see the top is glued down in several areas, so your not really getting a true sound board responce. That being said I really enjoy my AC275. For me it’s a finger pickers delight. A big part of the tone on these ( and any guitar) is the actual strings, you need a good set of acoustic strings on these. It’s a hybrid type of tone. In my opinion the top wood sound board contributes less to the tone of this guitar than a true sound board like the AC375 design. So the fact that it is a small guitar with a tiny sound board does not put me off on this model and the uber ergonomic design and small light package are the cool features. I am assuming the plugged in tone is somewhere near AC275 territory but we have yet to hear it with the electric style bridge so that’s a question mark, but the intonation will be adjustable which is a plus. I would say get any top wood you want because it will matter less to the actual plugged in tone on this new ACZeus. The AC375 is a different guitar design where the top is truly resonating on these I would get the red cedar or spruce.
A bodyrez equipped pedal like TC play acoustic or a stand-alone bodyrez helps tame some of the typical piezo quack.


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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby GuitFiddle » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:00 pm

Well, Jeff can never be accused of failing to innovate. To each their own, but I've never understood the point of guitars like this. It would be unsatisfying unplugged, but standard piezo equipped guitars with a good direct box like a Tech 21 Para Driver will do everything else just as well. If I saw someone come out on stage with this I'd be thinking "Someone is actually going to lay down an acoustic version of Walk With Me In Hell!". And then of course I'd stay for it.
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Re: Zeus Acoustic Electric

Postby arahobob » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Maybe the bridge looks ok on a painted model.
The big black slab of metal isn't cutting it on this natural wood topped acoustic.

I'm sure the multi option and string counts are appealing to some.
I see this model going absolutely nowhere.
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