Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

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Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby Tony PD » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:43 pm

I don't see it in the guitar list anymore. It used to be next to the Bolt Classic.

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby spudmunkey » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:45 pm

Tony PD wrote:I don't see it in the guitar list anymore. It used to be next to the Bolt Classic.

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby Tony PD » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:10 am

Ahhh! I missed that. Thanks, spudmunkey.

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:16 am

The DC127-12, however... :| :(

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby gumbynotpokey » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:56 pm

Yeah, they tucked the DC127 onto the DC row. This is a first step toward its exit, I assume. The FB group had someone asking about it disappearing the other day, and someone pointed out the thumbnail had moved to the DC row. As legacy buyers know, this was their flagship 6 string for a long time. The AE185 before that. Now it is relegated to a thumbnail on a line that uses the DC designation. Ouch.

And the 12 string version appears to have simply disappeared.

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:59 am

I always wondered how, strictly in terms of product name and number, the "DC127" survived whereas the "DC200" bit the dust.. but I suppose the 127 implied no set arrangement of elements and enjoyed total flexibility in the shop with the builders, a la "anything goes" with the model. So as the custom shop expanded its possibilities, those models that were less hammered down into a specific or blingy base model, prevailed.

The 127 evolved out of the 125 in 1990 . . . the 125 being the least expensive guitar they made, with only a bridge M22 bucker, throw in a Kahler Pro or Floyd, etc, and you've got the Carvin equivalent of the EVH style metal guitarists machine. And the 127 just added the M22N in the neck position to complete the picture for a more "all-around" and versatile guitar, but it usually kept the master vol/master tone, and didn't include any switching bling with splitting and phase switching either, at least not standard.

The 200 was a Stereo guitar which inherited all of it's innards from the DC150, so the control layout was pretty inflexible w the knobs and switching. . . so it was really a 24.75" Les Paul dressed up to look like a superStrat. In reality the blingy 200K's sounded more like a LP Custom (the original all maple ones could sound a LOT like Gibson L6-S's as well) than your standard Strat.

So I guess this is the reason, as time went on and the proggy and metally 80's gave way to the grungey 90's, the guitars were less specifically targeted and the 200 had to eventually, in the end (not sure what year the 200 and the maple-topped "400" officially disappeared), yield to the completely flexible 127... which basically translated as, "Short(ish, since it bumped up to 25") Scale Double Cut, Built How You LIke It," a hold-the-pickles-hold-the-lettuce deal, versus the 200 Stereo with its 150/160 style "written in stone" electronics.

But the 127 was originally the oddball afterthought to the hyper-simple 125. It was the simplest, most paired down double humbucker guitar they made. No standard active electronics, or coil splits/phase switching. The first catalog ad for the 127 from 1991:

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In the end I supposed the number became 127, rather than just calling the guitar just a pared down 200, they needed a new # since Stereo went out forever, and removing the stereo and all those standard switching options removed all of those unique characteristics that made the 200 the 200. Same with the stubby double cuts that they made in the 90's with the master vol & tone, but mono and with no splits or phase switching: these were 127's with the "DC" option. Without the stereo and LP-esque layout, they just weren't 150's.

Browsing around the museum to grab the image above reminded me of this incarnation of the 400... "the finest curly koa" to carve the neck and the body... topped by a AA figured maple top, as in laid over the highly figured old growth koa neck and body. Not AAAA maple, not AAA... but AA maple top. Over the solid curly koa body. OOFAH!

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby gumbynotpokey » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:16 pm

The DC145 (HSH) and DC 400 (HH) were awesome. The DC 400 came with abalone blocks standard - top of the line.

With changes, they rolled the numbers all into one base model: the 127 and you build UP from there. You could feel it all going away even then.
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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby gumbynotpokey » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:18 pm

oldest's DC400M

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Re: Did the DC127 go bye-bye?

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:24 pm

gumbynotpokey wrote:With changes, they rolled the numbers all into one base model: the 127 and you build UP from there. You could feel it all going away even then.


To me, that actually made more sense. I actually thought that might help the model. I feel like with there being 5 different models (DC125, DC137 DC135, DC145, DC400) that it got to be confusing unless you knew what you were looking at. If you were unfamiliar, and you saw a DC135 that you loved, and then went to the website to spec out one, you'd only see HSS (and maybe HS, SS and SSS) as pickup options...which would be confusing if you wanted HH, HSH, piezo, etc. To me, it was just like having the CT3 and the CT4 (and honestly, the CT6) when on every other model, the top was just a selectable option.


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