CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

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CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby Jsw » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:41 pm

Hi guys,
My CT3m has Sperzel USA stamped locking tuners. I’m interested in putting in 19-1 tuners
The Kiesel black 3x3 look perfect. Does anyone know if they are straight swap? Ie no locating holes exposed or having making my own locating holes.

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Jim

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby Jsw » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:47 pm

Meh, I’m on my iPad and selected the wrong forum with my big fingers.
I’m sorry . :wall:

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby spudmunkey » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:48 pm

They are not a direct swap, per se.

Here's a thread about it. Pics of the end result on page 2 of the thread:
http://www.kieselguitarsbbs.com/viewtop ... 6&start=20

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby ioneater » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:10 pm

Yep, there's no way around having a small portion of the Sperzel's locating pin hole showing from under the edge of the Kiesel tuners. If the rear of the headstock is natural wood colored or tung oil a person could fill them and get real close to making them invisible with the right kind of putty. Painted on the other hand would require much more work to hide. Kiesel tuners use two small knubs on the back that require two shallow holes to be drilled. It's a little tedious to get them lined up so that the tuners are lined up correctly. I, too wish they were an easier retrofit.

I'll say this though, the Sperzels feel like junk to me after having used the newer Kiesel tuners.

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby Jsw » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:04 am

I don’t mind the Sperzels I have but I’m bigger fan of 18-1 or so.
However, I won’t use anything that I can’t just drop in.

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby rYche » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:42 am

I think I saw a post of someone swapping those a while back. You'd have one hole visible on each tuner on the back of the headstock.

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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby dbone » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:26 pm

Yeah I have a few guitars with sperzels and a few with the newer style. The newer ones are a better ratio but it’s not a deal breaker.
Now a guitar without locking tuners well that is rediculous, I would likely only put up with it on a real vintage instrument at this point.
Acoustic guitars tend to not have em either and it’s annoying.
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Re: CT3m and Sperzel Tuners

Postby UnexplodedCow » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:48 am

I had a Sperzel fail on my 135 a year or two ago. It was less expensive for me to go with a set of Hipshot locking tuners, with their "UMP." No holes drilled, and it covered the Sperzel dowel holes just fine, plus is an 18:1 ratio in shiny chrome (matches the Contour I'd put on the guitar earlier). They've been working fine since, and no drilled/modified holes, so I was happy.
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