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Need some pedal advice

Postby spudmunkey » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:19 pm

I'm trying to "set" my pedalboard order, but my biggest concern has been working around buffers and my Fuzz pedal.

I've tried putting the fuzz in a couple different places, but it's just not sounding as good as it did in the store. I really really loved it there when it was the only pedal in the line, but I haven't been able to recreate that at home. Do I really need to put it before even the Boss TU-3 (which is buffered, correct?)

I also struggle a bit, because I want to use my amp's distortion, but I assume I'm out of luck with using that in conjunction with the looper pedal, because even with the 4-cable method, the distortion wouldn't come back through...would it? I actually currently only own 3 cables that work, so I don't have an easy way to test this.

Here's my pedals, in their current order:

Boss TU-3 Tuner
Dunlop Crybaby 95q
Xotix SP Compressor
Wampler Velvet Fuzz
Electro Harmonix Soul Food (the bass version...love the "blend" knob)
Walrus Audio Iron Horse overdrive
Electro Harmonix Micro POG octave pedal
Mooer LoFi Machine (basically a bit-crusher)
Boss AC-3 Acoustic Simulator (shut up...I actually use it when I plug my acoustic-electrics in through my guitar amp, and it does actually help them sound more natural, or at least in the direction of how it would sound going direct through a PA or full-range amp and speaker)
Hardwire SP-7 Stereo Phaser
MXR Carbon Copy digital delay
TC Electronics Corona Mini chorus
TC Electronics Hall Of Fame Mini reverb
MXR 10-band EQ pedal
TC Electronics Ditto Looper X2

All using just the two cable method. From guitar to tuner, and out the looper to the amp.

I also have a JHS Little Black Buffer which I bought, not realizing the tuner already had one, so it may or may not be overkill...I'd take any advice on that as well!

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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby 2Plus2isChicken » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:56 pm

From what I understand you definitely should put some fuzz pedals before any buffers, including ones like in that tuner. I think there are some newer fuzzes that work fine with buffers, though. Try it after as well, though. You may like how it sounds. You never know.

I have never actually used a fuzz so all I have to go on for how they sound is YouTube videos, and some of them sound really cool, but I'm not sure how I will like the sound of a muff-style or fuzzface-style fuzz if I've been using distortion and overdrive and nothing else. I'm wondering how weird it will sound to me.
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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby hallwayminstrel » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:28 am

Here's an article about buffers and fuzz pedals: Fuzz 101

Basically, they recommend putting the fuzz pedal first: "If you are a fuzz lover, just place the buffer directly after your fuzz box, and this will work great."

Also: " If you have all True Bypass pedals, then you should use two buffers. This will give you the best signal strength and clarity possible."

So, try placing the fuzz directly after the guitar, even before your tuner (which you say has a buffer). Then your other buffer all the way at the end of your signal chain, as the last pedal.

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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby spudmunkey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:39 pm

I tried some experimentation after spending way too much time in the sun on Saturday. Without any A/B/Y pedals, I kept switching cables around and completely lost track of what was what, and which was which. :lol:

Here's it's current state:
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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby wickid » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:02 pm

spudmunkey wrote:I tried some experimentation after spending way too much time in the sun on Saturday. Without any A/B/Y pedals, I kept switching cables around and completely lost track of what was what, and which was which. :lol:

Here's it's current state:
:laughhard:

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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby spudmunkey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm

If you stepped hard enough in the middle, I'm sure something would either turn on...or off... :lol:

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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby 2Plus2isChicken » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:29 pm

I just recently got that Xotic SP Compressor pedal and I really like it! I originally planned on putting it on a board for my acoustic guitar, but I liked it so much that I'm using it on the board I use with my electric guitars instead. Thanks to that pedal (and several other mini pedals) I was able to squeeze 10 pedals onto a PedalTrain Jr. board, including my TimeLine. All my favorite pedals are on a board I can easily grab and take with me, and they're run off of one power supply. That's exactly what I wanted.

No fuzz yet, though!

The SP Compressor replaced my Barber Tone Press, which is a fine compressor, but too big to fit that board, so instead it got put on my acoustic guitar board.

That pile of pedals thing you've got going is interesting, though. I might try that. I wonder if my Mini HOF will sound better lying on its side like yours? :mrgreen:
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Re: Need some pedal advice

Postby spudmunkey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:44 pm

The Hall of Fame mini will only sound as good as mine, if you also unplug yours... Like mine is. :laughhard:

I actually bought this as my very first compressor. After nearly 30 years, I never had one. After reading a bunch of reviews, and listening to demos, this is the one I ended up with. While there were others that I thought sounded better, they were all much more expensive, or were a full size pedal... Something I wasn't willing to trade away for my pedalboard, because I knew I wanted to fit some more things on it.

Speaking of size, I am also comparing the new mini POG to the micro POG that I have. Unintuitively, the mini is smaller than the micro, and would actually allow me to fit one more pedal I believe. I'm not sure what that one more pedal would be, but it would be nice to know I could fit one more. Perhaps a tremolo, a rotary speaker Sim pedal, or maybe one more gain pedal of a specific type of distortion tone I have in my head.


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