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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:21 pm

I would tend to agree given that neither seller are interested in ordering me a new one to just replace these. I think they probably both thought . . . :applause: . . . we finally got rid of those Hags that may well have been returned before already. I guess I should feel fortunate that they are willing to take them back. The one even sent a shipping label. The other I have to pay return shipping but at least they are refunding the guitar.

Like you, I REALLY like the necks too and those P90s . . . well, don't get me started on those again but know I do NOT consider this a normal Hagstrom experience. I may well seek out someone who will order me a brand new tri-pup P90 SS since neither of these sellers want to.

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby Doctor Turn » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:09 pm

Oh wow.. I didn't realize that this was from two different dealers. Eegads, that's not good. It sounds like the problems with both of these guitars was so significant that they should have warned you that they needed excessive set-up/work whereby they're almost project guitars. Kind of rude to just send crap like that out like it's totally normal.

Some of these effers think, when you bargain with them and get them so far down to cost, that they have permission to spite you and just send you grot.. and then smugly say (cue Lonesome Lenny of Mice & Men dopey punchdrunk voice) "Cku-huh, ckuh-huh,,, ummm.. whuddya 'spekt?"

Which is bull tripe. I remember when I got mine and it arrived in the store, I asked my rep at Ash how it was; because I specifically wanted him to set the thing up.. intonate, neck relief, the whole shwerrang--reason being that during a proper setup, issues in assembly line manufacturing SHOULD float to the surface in front of his face, which in my mind minimized the risk of buying a MIC guitar. His answer when I asked him was "I'm buying one of these now, I can't believe how good it is," and he wasn't fluffing me.. he meant it, being predisposed because he had an old Swedish Viking and loved the brand.

When I got there I was a little annoyed to discover the routing for my bottom two pickups was a little off. The pups were mounted correctly, with the poles lining up very well w the strings, but there was a little millimeter of routing running along the left side of the bottom two pups. Maybe the guitar wiggled in it's brace while the CNC was routing for the pups and the left side of the bridge and middle pup got like an extra mm. It's just a larger rectangle opening that it sits in, it's symmetrical, but still. It's a slight error.

You can see the routing is tight and proper here (pic from NGD):
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But on this side there's extra rout alongside:
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But owing to the price, I couldn't complain. It played so well in the store and hustled it right home in my own soft case. And it's only a niggle.

All in all, with these Asian instruments.. as always... if you get a good one, you'll be very pleased. But there are obviously bad ones out there.

The fact that they're not willing to order a new one for you at the price you paid shows this probably wasn't seen by them as "new." There's no profit at all in there to even make the paperwork worth it for them. For the store--not the rep--the store--to even make fifty bucks total profit on one of these with NO case, you'd need to pay 600.

I did my deal in person, and really bonded with my reps over there over the weeks preceeding. And I think I specifically asked as the month was winding down, when all the sales reps are looking to pump their numbers. With him liking me, and with it just being a special order oddball for them, he didn't seem to care that there was about 75 dollars profit for the store. They may have shipped me one with the old bridge (my sn# begins with 14 so I'm thinking it might even be a 2014 from the AMS warehouse, NOS with the old bridge) because (maybe? speculating here) Sam Ash was trying to bring costs down and asked if there was anything that was a pristine player but might via slightly older hardware bring their costs down? just guessing.

In any case, for a guitar that usually sells for about 800-1200, I couldn't complain about the rout or the bridge. I can store an extra couple picks in that little slot next to the two pups! :laughhard: :ninja:
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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:51 pm

Other than the disappointment of these particular Hags having problems, I'm not particularly pissed at either dealer. They both ended up sending prepaid shipping labels so I could return them [See GC, MF or Sweetwater even do that?] but they were not particularly interested in ordering new ones for me period leading me to believe perhaps both were trying to get out of the Hagstrom business . . . though not sure why? I am still confident if I could order that SS tri-pup P90 somewhere and get a good one that I would absolutely LOVE that guitar. Now, where to do that and what are the odds of getting a good one? :think:

All said, the one seller Sigler does a LOT of Fender customization and happened to mention this particular guitar which I am more than just a little intrigued by:

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Not quite as good of a pure P90 tone from what I've heard on http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/p-rails-neck

but a tremendous amount of sound diversity in one instrument. It is a 21 fretter 9.5" which I don't like but I actually bought a beautiful custom flamed maple, 22 fret, thicker to my specs, compound radius, Strat neck for that V-neck Strat I told you about before [that my Lupus hands couldn't play anymore] but then just sold the Strat. So, I could pick this MIM Strat up fairly cheaply and just bolt on this wonderful neck just sitting here looking pretty and I should have a new quite powerful axe to pair with my AM Deluxe Beck Strat at the beckoning call . . .

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:26 pm

A much better P-rails review . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TrNVCcST0g

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby Doctor Turn » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:16 pm

Based on the price you paid I just don't think they're prepared to order a new one... It'd be like wholesaling it to you. But they're out there... Far from 550 with a case however...

A used one with the old bridge at 800

http://www.musicgoroundduluthmn.com/p/4 ... ric-guitar

Another used one on Reverb in "mint" condition, also with the older bridge

https://reverb.com/item/1474593-hagstro ... ric-guitar

I'd get in the loop with those sellers, relate the experience you just had, let them feel the depth of your experience with playing excellent guitars and how long you've been playing and let them know by dint of your correspondence that your aware that there are a couple of lemons in every MIC batch, and please only sell to me if these are the proper real deal... And that if this machine Head or that nut or that bridge fails it's going right back prontissimo., So let's not waste any time sending any boomerang guitars on 360 delivery loops... That was the whole point of my going in person to a local store, after researching online and seeing it everywhere online where I could have ordered it. I wanted them to know they weren't dealing with a sucker, and that if a sack of crap was delivered there'd be a dude that I could deal with face to face. My first Asian guitar since my old Japanese Vantage which was great back then.. I've never owned a MIC and the idea of blindly ordering one from some faceless halfway across the country scared me.

On those p-rails... The p90 sound is just about there but what irks me is the humbucker always sounds like excrement to me. Thin, simple, and lacking the complexity that a good bucker should have. Good humbuckers should sound, with just a hint of dirt like that recording in your last link (which I've seen btw), like multiple guitars are playing simultaneously... A thin pinging on the top, and then a fat musical cronk underneath that delivers the lyricism that only a humbucker can give you. P Rails have a totally fail bucker sound to me. And the single coil is meh also. But the 90 side is just about there.
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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby Doctor Turn » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:01 pm

Another new one.

Another new one.

Then I found this one.
Check out the description for this one--this may be yours!

Super cool guitar, very unique.
Plastic tuners were professional replaced for the best tuners available. Japanese Gotoh Delta tuners.

Frets were professionally filed, bridge was replaced for a more sturdy one that actually rolls.

All setup was done for the specialists in Willcut guitars in Lexington, KY.

The 3 P90 pickups set is just excellent. No need to upgrade. Positions 2 and 4 are noise cancelling. This guitar loves to be played with some overdrive on top.

I barely played this beauty, it still does have protective plastic on top of the pickups and on top of the plastic parts in the back. No scratches or anything wrong with the guitar.

I will ship it with a used Godin gigbag.

Note: This guitar was bought new in almost $1K with no case. It has never been a factory second or refurbished instrument.


SOunds like he's overhyping his changes, but it should reassure you.. I don't know what the hell they're talking about "plastic tuners" (??!! wtf??) they're die cast chrome 18:1 tuners that are good... but the new bridge (which is typically fine) and the new tuners should reassure. Maybe he's talking about the plastic pickup covers.

Imagine plastic tuners lol...
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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:00 pm

Since Sigler was out after they sold me mine, it appears they are preparing mine to go right back out when they get it back from me. Notice it says availability range in the ad of Dec14-21?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hagstrom-Tremar ... 1970637776

Why wouldn't they ship the darn thing back to Hag and tell them to fix it? Combined with the unwillingness to order me one, I suspect there may be something of a Hag black market going on over here or something wrong with the now Chinese supply chain? Bottom line is I am not feeling particularly comfortable doing business with anyone who can't order the guitar from Hagstrom or directly from their supply chain . . . an actual Hagstrom Dealer. I am not able to even locate one on Hag's website. Is Sam Ash even still a dealer? I did send an email to KMC who is listed as their North American wholesaler to see who in my area is an actual authorized dealer.

Will advise if they respond with anything?

I would agree that the P-rails "can" sound a tad sterile in HB mode but I have only heard them through my laptop speakers, not in person. Have you actually heard them in person or played them?

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Postby Doctor Turn » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:50 pm

That's hideously gross of that seller Sigler, to list that heap of s*&^ SSwede as new and unopened and "New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is applicable). Packaging should be the same as what is found in a retail store, unless the item is handmade or was packaged by the manufacturer in non-retail packaging, such as an unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details."

That's something, and pretty sad. Based on what you wrote, and how you couldn't find a dealer, I went to their website, and in the late winter/early spring I was able to verify that both Guitar Center and Sam Ash, plus others here in NY and elsewhere were all Hagstrom dealers.

Hagstrom in the glory days of the 60's-80's were always bigger in Europe but tons of american artists from Elvis to Zappa to Neil Young to the Wrecking Crew to Hendrix Noel redding, Coryell and endless others played the brand. It looked like since their mid-2000's ressurection they were picking up some steam with the good reviews and some key players from Dweezil, Peter Green, yadda yadda playing them, but it's obviously not selling much since dealers must be dropping the brand. The sales are seemingly all in Europe with some Asia now.

This is a bummer, since I was thinking of getting around to one of those Deuces or Swedes with F holes, or maybe even a super viking. And you're right, the USA distributor is KMC not AMC. The best you could hope is having them sell to a retailer specifically for you and see if you can initiate the process. It's obvious that the brand is not gaining much traction--this generation knows nothing of them. One thing I positively know I eventually want is a Northen Series version of something... don't know when. But with no USA dealer set in stone, who knows.... maybe I'd have to tap one of my Scandinavian friends and have them order me a new one and ship it. If so, late next year.

O well... now I don't know what to say. Maybe it is dicey out there. If this Sigler guy is not an authorized dealer, he's claiming that piece of crap is factory new... maybe it's best to hold off.
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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:15 pm

Pitbull, that sold me the VD, could not send back for repair or order me a new replacement, has the one I sent back out on Reverb again . . .

https://reverb.com/item/1619474-hagstro ... th-tremolo

Yeah, I am hopeful KMC will respond with how we can BOTH order a Northern Super Swede . . . maybe I can get one in a tri-pup P90 tremar config? :drool: :applause:

Or, I might completely get ignored by KMC.

It would be nice to understand this whole "China authorized to produce" supply chain. It is not at ALL clear to me . . .

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Postby canon_mutant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:39 pm

I added up a MIM Strat and then adding a Babicz bridge, locking tuners, and [either] all the parts to make this particular setup or just buying the loaded pickguard and I'm a good $100 more and then have to do the labor.

I think this would be a pretty good deal [they'll take $829] . . . plus can finally use that awesome neck I have sitting here collecting dust once I know this is a keeper.

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Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:58 pm

Not the format that I would use to trigger P90's (I like a thicker warmer cut of wood to deepen the snarl.. I find on lighter alder or ash builds with P90's or P90-"ISH" pickups, they thin out a little bit and lose some of that great throaty porterhouse that the best low-medium output P90's deliver with some filth on the signal. . . they start drifting a little too close to straight up single coil country.. which is a VERY different sound obviously. And one which I think those Triple Duncans can have a tendency to veer into.

I think you had asked me earlier whether or not I had played those pickups in person, and although it's possible from my endless times sitting in music stores over the past 3 years especially literally playing everything from the intermediate ($5-600) price range and up, I don't have any specific memory of playing them or jamming with anyone who did.

So I'm not claiming to be an expert on their use or construction... but I recall when I first heard of them I was fascinated with the concept. I like guitars that are capable of great versatility: Gibby L6-S or a Les Paul Recording, the Carvin DC150/160/DC200/CM130-140.. things of that nature. But what they're doing is taking your standard humbucker, splitting it by turning a coil off, and playing with the polarity as well as the series - parallel interplay.

These triple shots are doing something else altogether which is attempting to morph into three different species of pickups, each of which when in their actual true incarnation obviously sound completely different from one another. And when I listened back then when I first heard of them--and when I listen now--I just detect a super simplistic humbucker tone. Humbuckers are like the Mystery Man of electric guitar playing for me: they have this ability (good ones anyway) to sound like two very different guitars playing in precise unison, both handling different frequencies, with a weird ability to fatten up in the higher registers, and (again, with very good ones) thin out a barely perceptable touch in the lower registers (one of the problems with modern Gibsons is they've lost that . It's an uncanny and hugely complex sound, and a slight touch of dirt.. not TOO much.. brings that out, where it almost sounds like a telecaster is riding along on the top of the signal. Completely weird-- that Tele quality is what gets lost, btw, on the newer Les Pauls being made, especially the Burstbucker Pro loaded ones, as well as the 400 series which I can't stand. I have heard that Tele quality with the Alnico II loaded standard, non-Pro version of the BB's as well as the CustomBuckers and the 57 Classics.

Anyhow, that's what I'm getting at.. these Triple Shots have a very simplistic sound to me. They sound like a slightly fatter single coil, literally like they took their single coil version of themselves, and just increased the bass on the amp.

BUT.. that's just my opinion, and have no idea if you even plan on using the HB switch on the pup.

If I was in your shoes I'd probably order one of these in single or double cut, and thow in a set of maybe SD Antiquity 90's, which aim to recapture those old gold tops like the Hagstrom P90's do so well.
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OR:

I would without a second thought grab one of these from Reverend
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Set neck construction, all korina build. The P90's are very good, but they're ceramic rather than Alnico. They're also Asian made, but they've been around a good while and I think (THINK) that the guitar's parts are made in asia, then they are shipped to Reverend and assembled in the USA. Reverend guitars are freakin awesome. I almost bought that exact guitar, just without the Big bridge. Hag won because of the more authentic pup construction materials.

Or, lastly, there are these SUPER cool guitars from Hanson.
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I almost bought this as well while shopping for a tri pup 90, and soundwise it edged the Reverend because I think the neodynium boutique 90's in this bad boy trumps the ceramic Reverends. Solid mahogany. It's a bizarre looking axe, and I positively love it. If I had unlimited bread I would own both of these things (you can get a hardtail here as well; shows how much I loved what I heard of that Super Swede that I did NOT want a trem, let alone an ancient style Bigsby type design which I've never been a fan of, that I went ahead and ordered anyway).

Since the chances of getting a factory dealer-fresh-and-new Hagstrom seems unclear now, I would buy--if I wanted something with a bunch of authentic sounding P90's and a Bigsby style trem like you do, that recaptures the set neck mahogany vibe of the old juniors and gold tops--and I wanted expenses down under a thousand for a brand new axe--either the Reverend or the Hanson. Those Reverends are supposed to have nice meaty necks, and they have these bass contour knobs in addition to the 1V/1T deal that's supposed to be awesome. They also make these SH guitars like the manta ray, they have a cool stubby DC shape but with a 335 vibe with 90's instead of the standard HB's:

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So cool. One banana brand new.

Those are my ideas for a Bigged, P90'd, set neck quality axe with a max budget of one K, and forgetting Hagstrom for the moment. And if any of the P90's don't cut it you could always buy some antiquity 90-s from Duncan or something similar and drop them in. Too bad Hag doesn't sell those 90's on their own. They are literally as good as a P90 gets, like the very best sets on the old LP's and SG's from the 50's-60's.
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Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:35 pm

Hear the awesomeness... Andy demoing the Cigno... Listen to those P90's. They are PERFECT... Neodymium is a fabulous mag.. sounds REALLY similar to the Hagstrom pups, actually:

https://youtu.be/RLriK9r47Sc

The gorgeous Reverend... Andy again... Nice throaty p90 sounds w that classic Korina midrange pushing it. ..

https://youtu.be/uFDplwKtUR0

A super cool 3 X 90 sh Manta Ray

https://youtu.be/SIFkBGI_zr8
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Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:33 pm

ALSO: look what I just discovered: Musician's Friend is a dealer:

Check it out here.

Looks like Chicago Music Exchange (who I'd probably go to if I were going to buy a Reverend and lived in the midwest out of a major city) is a dealer too...

http://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/sea ... om+guitars

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Postby canon_mutant » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:29 pm

Got the KMC list . . . naturally no one close to me. Neither dealer on Reverb is "authorized" and both of my Hags are already back out for sale. :naughty:

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Thanks for all the ideas. I'm in no hurry so will mull it over . . . :think:

I may give MF a call to see what if anything they can order?

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Postby canon_mutant » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:51 pm

A little concerned the Hag P90 guitars on MF don't have those same P90s that were on the SS I got . . . the pups I think you already know I did absolutely love. Since there are terrible P90s out there [and these P-rail hybrids may be another one . . . I just don't know], I wouldn't mind buying a set of those exact Hag pups . . . somewhere?

If going the Strat route, I would likely be better off just getting a HSH MIM somewhere and putting some good P90s in it.

Frankly, wanting to use this wonderful Strat neck I bought a couple years ago is what even got me off on that tangent . . .

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Postby canon_mutant » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:36 am

Since I am up at 4:00 . . . single digits outside so joint pain is like a 9 where 10 is a kidney stone! :wall:

And then you look at some other resellers on Reverb and you find this crap . . . and it's a shame because, if I live long enough, I am going to find a GOOD Super Swede, Tri-p90, Tremar or Hardtail [I don't even care]. I miss those pups already . . .

From: LA Music

Super Swede is a tier of Swede series which brings a serious level of quality along with magnificent appearance. Hagstrom builds these in Czech Republic, so the European quality is guaranteed.

I sent MF.com an email to see if they can order perhaps even a Northern Series straight from Hagstrom. Anxious to see what response I get?

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Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:21 pm

I think--from what I understand thus far anyhow--that the Super Swede Tremar 3 X P90S is a straight MIC instrument and always has been. I'm sure if I emailed LA Music about that I could get them to realize that it's false advert. It, like my guitar, has a big fat Made In China sticker on the back.. this is their actual guitar (dummies):

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The triple P90-S version of the Super as you can see on their site is from the standard MIC line. The Northen Series is strictly the classic versions of the Swede and Super Swede with the Lundgren No 2 special humbuckers made for Hag on both. Northen doesn't make a non bucker version of either guitar. The Northen Super is strictly the Lundgren buckers and no trem.

It's Northen, rather than NortheRn btw.. it's a very old Bohemian luthiery that they use that goes back fifty years making some great guitars.. they actually make some of the best basses I've ever played--Manson-- and their Manson guitars are phenomenal. The best bass player I have ever played with was one of my high school best friends, we played for years together in the 80's-90's, and he had Fenders, Yamahas, Fodera, a Chapman stick, a double bass.. but his baby was a Manson fretless in solid bubinga. The thing was just incredible. INCREDIBLE.

This is the Czech luthier: http://www.nbe.cz/index.php?option=com_ ... =3&lang=en

If--and that's a huge if--they could make custom Super Swede P90's, that'd be quite the guitar. But I have to tell you, despite the sad situation you had with those awful remnants landing on your doorstep, I wonder about this comment made by Music Radar about the Northen Super Swede:

MusicRadar wrote:Since the re-launch of Hagstrom electrics in 2007, most models have been based on the brand's earlier designs. As this maker's most successful models from the seventies, the Swede and its Super stablemate naturally feature prominently in the revived range, with the current crop now numbering 14 varying versions, including the new Northen Series.

"Rather than being produced in China, these latest examples emanate from Europe, in the Czech Republic to be exact"
The latter's name suggests closer ties with Hagstrom's home turf, while manufacture also moves nearer. Rather than being produced in China, these latest examples emanate from Europe, in the Czech Republic to be exact, courtesy of an instrument production base that dates back many decades.

The four-strong Northen line is led by the Super Swede Flame, which, apart from an appropriately figured front, has all other features in common with its three companions. Like the majority of modern Hagstroms, this model is topped by the large, asymmetric headstock first seen in 1969 and designed by leading US luthier James D'Aquisto. The ornate outline is emphasised by multiple edge binding and accommodates art deco-style machine heads that also hint at Hagstrom's history.

This maker has long had a liking for synthetic fretboards and the Northen Super Swede sports the sleek, 'resinator' wood composite fingerboard that's been featured across the rest of the range since the brand reappeared. Edged with maple binding, it emulates real ebony, and here's hoping that future refrets don't face the problems posed by the plastic playing surfaces the firm once used.

Early Hagstroms were famed for super-slim necks, but these days the preferred profile is decidedly meatier and more mainstream. Unlike its more Gibson-orientated Swede stablemate, the Super version favours a Fender-ish, 648mm (25.5-inch) scale length to accompany a 22 fret count, while rounded-corner pearl block position markers point to the brand's past.

When launched in 1971, the Swede was essentially Hagstrom's Les Paul, likewise the partner Super that followed six years later. Body-wise, both were a bit bigger all round and these measurements have stayed the same, but even so, the Northen weighs a very shoulder-friendly 3kg.

This is certainly less than some other current Swedes and, although Hagstrom doesn't say as much, it's light enough to hint at hidden airspace within. Construction comprises the classic mahogany with maple top combination and the latter's flamed figuring looks good under the review example's cosmic blackburst finish, this being contrasted by natural maple binding around the front.

A feature of the Northen Series models is the presence of twin humbuckers designed for Hagstrom by Swedish pickup specialist Johan Lundgren. These are partnered by a Les Paul-like control layout, augmented by a pull-push, coil- split switch incorporated into each tone pot, rather than the separate mini-toggle selector seen on other Super Swedes.

The six-saddle bridge is very obviously influenced by the standard tune-o-matic design, but the tailpiece is a piece of pure Hagstrom design, combining a curved cover with a similarly shaped, clear plastic baseplate that carries six string anchor blocks.

Sounds

An airy acoustic character translates to equally open-sounding amplified performance. This comes courtesy of humbuckers that combine impressive definition with beautifully even-tempered tone. The end result is a sound that consistently stays focused and expressive under clean or gain-laden conditions, allowing subtle nuances and aggressive, attacking extremes to be conveyed with ease.

The single-coil selections leave each pickup's outer coil in operation, predictably lowering volume levels and thinning out the sound, particularly so in the bridge position. These alternatives increase versatility, but the innate clarity of the humbuckers renders such options less useful than usual.

Although the Northen Super Swede Flame incorporates various construction and component upgrades, many aspects are still shared with Hagstrom's much cheaper, Chinese-made alternatives, making the latter a hard act to follow in terms of overall value for money. That said, this very classy new Super Swede is undoubtedly a superior instrument to its predecessors, which is obviously intended to target the more discerning player; one who can best appreciate, utilise and afford the extra quality on offer.


When you get one of these MIC made to spec properly, like I did, you just simply can't believe how good they are and for the price you paid. Just amazing. Sad that you got send that crap.

Cosmic blackburst Northen trimmed w maple wood binding.. 10mm flamed top:
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1985 DC150K (koa) Stereo, M22N/M22SD w/black hardware.
1985 100 Watt X Amp 2 x 12 combo (XV212) upgraded w/ 2 Vintage 30's
...and other gear.

https://soundcloud.com/the_heavy_clouds

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:14 pm

Haven't heard back [yet] from MF.com but, since I go to Dallas whenever my bones allow [lots of amazing music shows down that way that a friend and I love to partake of], I think I will contact that Dallas Hag retailer tomorrow and just ask them ask them on the phone . . . WTF?

I got enough taste of sweetness that I won't go away quietly . . . and, the more I think about it, though the P-rails might be fine, I think in general putting P90s into an Alder body with all of that bright maple hanging off of it would not yield the warmth that I got from that BRICK of a Super Swede or the 50th R6 or . . . etc. etc. I got to looking at this wonderful flamed maple Strat neck of mine and worked my way backwards to an inexpensive kinda-sorta P90 guitar by going MIM Strat. Wrong direction, Garth . . .

And, now that I know Godin makes quite fine instruments, they have a couple of hardtail Les Paul types with P90s that sound just pretty dreamy too. Plenty of options.

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinsummit ... 41145.html

A bit more money but they do have versions under $1K.

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby canon_mutant » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:10 am

Think I found it . . . no tremolo but I really like this guitar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDx9df8aHlY

Love to hear it clean . . . about 2:00 in on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqB6Lh77qRw

Here is about the best P-rail video minus the silly back track . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RXR5tbk7g

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Re: 1972 Hagstrom HIIN OT and others....

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:24 am

Godins are good guitars--I could see you buying one and liking it.


Speaking of pickups, I think I may have finally settled on a set of vintage style PAF's that sound really good after asking around in my private orbit and doing some research. I like the 57 Classics and I was zoomed in on DMZ PAF Masters for a bit, but there's a winder here in NY State who has made a good name for himself hand winding to spec, and his PAF's are really authentic sounding. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9myzyrCTCQ
More with the Manlius Landmark PAF's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIKfAbBI3Ig

You can hear the super legit Tele tone riding over the top of the signal, and that super complex tonal character that the really old Alnico humbuckers ferment into.

They also have a PAF replica called the Fat Diane which is based on a slightly hotter Gib PAF taken from a 1960 ES:
https://youtu.be/xIwZNt8XgcY
Really authentic. You can have them wind it to spec if you want to change the recipe to your liking... change to an A4, A5 from an A2, etc. You can tell them if you just want standard LP braid or 4 conductor for splitting, different covers or bobbins... and the best thing?

NINETY FIVE BUCKS for these nice little snarlers. So you won't break the bank like on a Wizz or a ZhaNG, etc.. but they sound every bit as authentic and super high quality.
Carvin Weaponry:
1985 DC150K (koa) Stereo, M22N/M22SD w/black hardware.
1985 100 Watt X Amp 2 x 12 combo (XV212) upgraded w/ 2 Vintage 30's
...and other gear.

https://soundcloud.com/the_heavy_clouds


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