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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Don » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:22 am

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Regarding smaller bodied and carved body thinlines, I have a Carvin SH645 that I love, but it's a completely different sound than the ES-335.

I love 'em all!


Oh yes. My SH445, SH225, and AE185 are all different animals.


I had an AE185 for a while and it was a great semi hollow thinline guitar! I swear I could cover ES-335 to Strat sounds good enough to convince an audience (and the band).

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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Bob77 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:28 am

@Doctor Turn you are killin' me man! I had no idea of the existence of those lefties. I am totally out of guitar money right now :laughhard: but otherwise I would seriously consider getting on them.

In regards to the differences between semi-hollow guitars, yea, there are significant differences for sure that makes the guitars very different from each other.

My personal preference is to go with guitars that are not "carved" out of solid pieces of wood. Hard to describe but once I tasted the tones and "air" of wood laminates it was a really a difference for me altogether.
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Bob77 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:40 am

Don wrote:That's a beauty! I bought an ES-335 a month or two ago. Gibson's building some decent guitars these days! I have a '59 ES-225TD for my fully hollow thinline tones but would love a Casino or ES-330 (believe it or not, the upper fret access is worse on the ES-225!).

I can get a good amount of crunch going with the 225 before it feedsback too much. It's a lot of fun to control.

Regarding smaller bodied and carved body thinlines, I have a Carvin SH645 that I love, but it's a completely different sound than the ES-335.

I love 'em all!


Darn it you have a vintage 225...lucky man! Those things are super cool.

Yea, upper fret access is not too good on the 330/casion. But you can certainly push the 330/casino more than the 225 before they start to feedback/distort because of their smaller bodies.

I have mixed feelings about Gibson quality. The regular production stuff....mmmm...hit or miss seems like. But I would say that most of the stuff that comes out of the custom shop including reissues and limited run guitars is really, really good...and pricey :shock: I also think their acoustic guitars are really well done as well.

Their strongest area overall, IMHO, is with their semi-hollow/fully hollow guitars. Their high end jazz boxes are incredible; like individual art pieces.

Among all electric guitar designs from all times, if I were to choose one that comes close to being the "perfect" and most versatile instrument of all that can outperform in most musical styles, i would have to go with the 335.
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Doctor Turn » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:43 pm

Yeah, I noticed after I posted it that the Hagstrom family crest badge is missing from the tailpiece, every once in a blue moon you see someone pried one out, or it fell out and was lost(??) for some godforsaken reason.

I've always enviously eyed those Epi Rivieras, but it's all down to the one you specifically get your hands on. I once played a Dot in 2015 that was one of the nicer modern semihollows that I've played, I literally drew a crowd in GC. And then you play another one that's *meh*. Those Gibby CS line models are pricey but really nice.
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Bob77 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:53 am

Very true. Hit or miss seems like. I have found the greatest inconsistencies with the Epiphone line. I think that's why people say that the Korean ones tend to be better than the ones made in China.

Something to consider with some semi-hollow and fully hollow electric guitars is that they can be susceptible to humidity/temperature changes just like acoustic guitars. In theory those wood laminates should not be affected, but every company has their own unique ways of forming them and the materials used in their composition might be different too.

At times one goes to a local guitar store to try semi-hollow/fully hollow guitars only to find they are horribly set up; with bowed necks, bad action, etc. It could be they are not in the right environment in the store next to the solid body electric guitars which tend to withstand temperature/humidity better. I always thought semi-hollow/fully hollow electric guitars should be placed in the acoustic guitar room in just in case.
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Don » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:12 am

Bob77 wrote:Darn it you have a vintage 225...lucky man! Those things are super cool.

Yea, upper fret access is not too good on the 330/casion. But you can certainly push the 330/casino more than the 225 before they start to feedback/distort because of their smaller bodies.


The 225 and Casino have the same size body. They fit in the same case, as long as the case has an arched top to accommodate the 225's taller bridge. In fact, I keep mine in an Epiphone ES-335/330 case.

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Some thinline guitars with F-holes. I only still have the ES-225 and mandolin from this pic. I also have a 2017 Gibson ES-335, Epiphone ES-335 Pro and the Carvin SH645 with F-holes. The ES-135 in this pic was semi-hollow and about 1/2" thicket than the rest. It was also heavier at almost 9-1/2 pounds.

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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:26 am

You should see my living room. Solid body guitars everywhere. But the Viking semi hollow stays in it's case. I'm pissed at myself, I already put my first little personalized *ding* on the face of it.. my little Yamaha acoustic flopped sideways and the headstock hit the upper part of the body right beside the neck humbucker.. put a little doink in the birch laminate.

Which leads me to a correction. On a thread earlier in the year I mentioned that the new Chinese made reissue Vikings were made like the Carvins, ie the CNC machine routed out the guts of the body shape and then a top was lowered down onto them.

That's not the case for either the old or the new ones. I had originally gotten the idea from this guitar instructor ("Riff Ninja" channel) and his YouTube review of his modern era reissue Viking:

https://youtu.be/MUZpiQk02xY

Craig Smith, who runs the design and manufacturing operation from the swedish office (kind of became online friends with him over the past year) corrected him and said they're made by hand on press molds, so they're laminates just like the vintage editions (which I knew were laminate wood from playing them and just the historical literature).. The vintage ones having huge differences aside from quality.. made of old Arctic Birch rather than North American maple, Brazilian rosewood board instead of the Resinator composite (which is quite good actually, made from birch rather than post consumer paper/Richlite). Over and above that though is those vintage swedish Hagstrom pickups. They're sublime.. also have them on my 72 HIIN OT double cut.

But yes indeed, it's my most responsive guitar, but with that thin laminate (old wood) body it's my most fragile guitar as well. Now with the cold weather in the Northeast and steam heat... In the case it stays when not in use. The nick is small but that guitar is so impossibly mint, I hate myself for letting it happen!

Arrrggghhh.

Can you post any sound samples of that new Gibson? I'd be interested to hear how those under wound P90s sound versus the two Gibson P90s on my 2011 LP Special Exclusive (like yours kind of a limited edition run.. ebony board rather than rosewood and a full Tom bridge rather than just the wrap around bridge of the traditional Special).

Also, that Gibson is laminated maple body, and mahogany neck, is that right?
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Bob77 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:40 am

@Don,
That guitar wall is AMAZING!

I stand corrected on the information about the body of the 330 and 225. I really thought the body of the 225 was thicker than the 330. I learned something new today :mrgreen: I think I was confusing it with the body of an ES 175 which I know for sure is thicker.

Speaking of thin bodys...Gibson recently came added to their relatively new ES 275 to the 2018 catalogue as a standard offering. It is really more of a jazz box, but with a thinner body....not quite thin as a 225/330/335; just a hair thicker. The body shape is darn close to Kiesel's SH550, wider though.. Really interesting design. I seriously considered one instead of the 330, but the 330 just won my heart for many reasons.

@Doctor Turn,

That's good tech info on the new Hargstroms. You make friends with some interesting people :mrgreen: So...the newer ones could potentially be good instruments. Still, I don't think they compare with the old school ones!

I've been thinking about some sound clips with the 330. Need to make time and go to my friend's house who has a home studio. I don't have any decent recording equipment at home to get any decent clips.

The 330 has maple laminates for the top, back and sides. Neck is your typical gibson one piece mahogany. Fret board is rosewood. The thing with these limited run 330s is that gibson went back to the nitrocellulose finish they used back in the day, applied very, very lightly. It almost feels like it has no finish at all. In theory it should help the wood laminate vibrate more.
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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Don » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:26 am

Bob77 wrote:@Don,
That guitar wall is AMAZING!


Actually, the guitars were lying on the floor in that pic. I've had people think it was a wall and ask how the guitar were hung.

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Re: New Gibson Hollow Body

Postby Bob77 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:36 pm

Don wrote:
Bob77 wrote:@Don,
That guitar wall is AMAZING!


Actually, the guitars were lying on the floor in that pic. I've had people think it was a wall and ask how the guitar were hung.


I got me too! :laughhard:
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