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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Omsong » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:55 pm

I think every guitar is more than the sum of it's individual parts. A Kiesel "Solo" may copy many of the features and look of a Fender Tele. In fact, in some areas a Solo may be a better built instrument. But a Tele has it's own unique vibe and single coil sound. If that's what is most important to you, then I advise sticking with the Fender. If you want to build a unique Tele "like" guitar that no one else has, then get a Solo. A Solo will certainly be an exceptional instrument.

A number of years ago I had a "pretty" Carvin, but missed the single coil Fender twang so I bought a MIM Strat. I ended up playing that Strat 90% of the time while the Carvin sat in it's case. "Better" is not always a result of the quality of materials, the eye popping woods and finish or the premier construction. Like I said, a guitar is more than the sum of it's parts. I should also add (as everyone knows) it's all in the fingers!
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:23 pm

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colossal wrote:I have long contemplated a Tele, especially for Jazz. I love the sounds guys like Tim Lerch and Julian Lage get out of a Tele. But I am so confused by all of the marketing nonsense now...American Professional, American Vintage, Vintage American, Professional Vintage, Modern Medieval. And Journeyman Relic???..what the hell is that crap? :lol:

I just want a '52 reissue. Dead simple. Butterscotch blonde that looks warm and clear, not like toothpaste smeared into left over orange. Single ply pickguard with 8 screws. Maple neck with a little grain drizzle. Make it in Fullerton. Last time I looked at Fenders, there was only the American Standard, built in California and about $1100 new. Our culture got hijacked by morons.

I'll just buy another Kiesel instead.


From one set of limited choices in Fender to a virtual infinitude of thousands of combinations and permutations at Kiesel is the simpler way, eh?


I can kind of see his point. If you know what specs you're looking for, you pick whatever Kiesel model you want, and you select the options that get you there. With an off-the-shelf company, you can go in knowing exactly what specs you want, but then you've got to sift through their product offering to figure out which of their models actually has the combination of features you want... If it exists at all... And if it doesn't, well then you need to start going backwards through previous year catalogs to figure out if that combination ever actually existed, then hunting down a used one.

I often have to look for very specific fasteners and other hardware. I could wander through the local hardware store, and try to find something that might maybe work...but might not be the exact thing I'm looking for...or I can go to mcmaster.com, which has 38 bajillion fasteners, and click click click through and get exactly what I want.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby amon » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:10 pm

The problem with Kiesel remains the challenges of the aesthetic options they offer. None of their headstock designs are 100% as effective as they could be with just some mild tweaking, and they certainly don't have anything that works well on a Tele body shape.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:31 am

spudmunkey wrote:
Doctor Turn wrote:
colossal wrote:I have long contemplated a Tele, especially for Jazz. I love the sounds guys like Tim Lerch and Julian Lage get out of a Tele. But I am so confused by all of the marketing nonsense now...American Professional, American Vintage, Vintage American, Professional Vintage, Modern Medieval. And Journeyman Relic???..what the hell is that crap? :lol:

I just want a '52 reissue. Dead simple. Butterscotch blonde that looks warm and clear, not like toothpaste smeared into left over orange. Single ply pickguard with 8 screws. Maple neck with a little grain drizzle. Make it in Fullerton. Last time I looked at Fenders, there was only the American Standard, built in California and about $1100 new. Our culture got hijacked by morons.

I'll just buy another Kiesel instead.


From one set of limited choices in Fender to a virtual infinitude of thousands of combinations and permutations at Kiesel is the simpler way, eh?


I can kind of see his point. If you know what specs you're looking for, you pick whatever Kiesel model you want, and you select the options that get you there. With an off-the-shelf company, you can go in knowing exactly what specs you want, but then you've got to sift through their product offering to figure out which of their models actually has the combination of features you want... If it exists at all... And if it doesn't, well then you need to start going backwards through previous year catalogs to figure out if that combination ever actually existed, then hunting down a used one.

I often have to look for very specific fasteners and other hardware. I could wander through the local hardware store, and try to find something that might maybe work...but might not be the exact thing I'm looking for...or I can go to mcmaster.com, which has 38 bajillion fasteners, and click click click through and get exactly what I want.

I'm being completely honest here Spud--these comments come off as out to lunch too me, with the slightest backing off from our love for Kiesel, which adds and retirees models at the speed of light, never updates the builder, what is allowable changes monthly... To see Fender as The More Complex Arrangement To Get Your Telecaster On is one of the most nakedly biased thing I've read on this board. All you need to know is fenders website with one 100th the familiarity that we have for Kiesel, and you're good. You can only be confused from a great distance.. Let's remember we're talking about specifically building a Tele because we claim we love Tele--and FENDER makes it too complicated for the buyer? Think about a stranger coming to Kiesel and seeing these Tele shaped guitars and trying to wend his way thru...

It's just pure brand love had for Kiesel from what I'm reading, and blindness to our own hyper familiarity.. if you're saying that fender is confusing and Kiesel is clear. If any of you guys hung around a fender website one one thousandth of the time you hang here, you'd have everything grasped fully, and Kiesel in opposition would look like a mess to you. In the builder? Is that all the wood they have? Bridges? Where are all the pickups? Are Beryl singles out yet? Are ap11 option fifty?

I must defend Fender.. gotta reject the association with Gibson. I think Fender deserves tons of credit for doing an awful lot right, and keeping prices reasonable, and the upgrades truly legit.

I think mere unfamiliarity with their verbiage is translating as"confusing." There's no rocket science going on with the very few models over there. Just gradation of the same models, same models, year after year... With some variation.

Every brand evolves models, names, etc thru the years. There's nothing really odd or confusing. They just put names to the nameless permutations, a fraction of them, that is, that you could create via Kiesel. But yet still, at this late date, not be able to create an authentic Tele yet. There's no pickups here. And I'm not sure that the tray/barrel bridge is up yet either. I just don't see Kiesel as Tele ready, just yet, beyond shape.

Now... That said... If you're one of these guys who gets hyper granular with every aspect of the guitar that must be this this this and that.. then you just need a custom shop anyhow, and complexity is part of your bag and the conversation is moot.
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Snoogans » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:13 am

Telecasters eh?
Here's some serious (and probably expensive) Tele-porn of the highest order. And a bloke who's quite good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0eTh5oF2U4

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby amon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:29 am

Nah, I'm with Spud on this one. For the past couple of years, Fender has offered a "build your own" option for a few of their models. The range of options they offer is limited (to put it mildly) and the prices unwarranted when compared to standard production. It remains amazing to me that Fender allows Warmoth to license their accurate outlines on their parts, because for the same money or less you can have a Warmoth dream machine which is far superior to anything Fender offers.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Omsong » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:37 am

Snoogans wrote:Telecasters eh?
Here's some serious (and probably expensive) Tele-porn of the highest order. And a bloke who's quite good...


Ah yes, lots of Tele love here. And it shows the great benefit of holding, playing, hearing and comparing several different guitars before buying one. Something we can never do with a factory direct or Internet (mail ordered) purchased axe.
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:38 am

Doctor Turn wrote:I'm being completely honest here Spud--these comments come off as out to lunch too me, with the slightest backing off from our love for Kiesel, which adds and retirees models at the speed of light, never updates the builder, what is allowable changes monthly... To see Fender as The More Complex Arrangement To Get Your Telecaster On is one of the most nakedly biased thing I've read on this board.


Note that I and colossal were only talking about personal experiences...not how the whole industry should be/is. :) Neither of us know Teles...we know Kiesel, so that's why we have the opinion we do. Merely sharing our personal experiences/perspectives...even if they are "wrong". :lol:

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:22 am

Sure I know! That's the whole Crux of the biscuit in terms of my reply. I think you guys are speaking strictly in terms of your personal opinions which are weighted heavily in terms of your hyper familiarity with Kiesel, and vague sense of "lots of models, I dunno what they are=confusing, Fender not good way to do things."

My point is simply this.. if your familiarity with fender is so faint that you don't know that the American Standard has been replaced by the American Professional two seasons ago, the real issue is you're just not looking at what fender is doing. It sounds simply like, "I took a cursory look over there for the first time in two years, didn't recognize some of the names I was seeing for models, so I'm done."

Imagine the counter argument that could be leveled from someone who spent all their time on the Fender website and dropped in to Kiesel for a cursory look for the first time in two years:

"The Tl60 is gone? I saw aTLB60 available but I can't build one? Is that true? A kit is available? There's a new Solo thing. But I think it's 24 frets and they don't say what pickups are legit Tele pickups. I saw some pictures of a Tele bridge but nothing on the site. SCB? Is that a Tele style guitar too? It's all WAY too confusing. Things are changing with no rhyme or reason, there's all this overlap before you even get into customization, etc."

I'm talking strictly in terms of what colossal is saying about throwing his hands up with Fender, because he can't get the specific 1952 Telecaster build he would like. I just for the life of me can't imagine what in God's name he's going to build with Kiesel in terms of neck, pickups, bridge, etc, that makes it such a superior choice for getting what he wants in terms of the hard specs he demands and wasn't getting from Fender :lol:

We can widen this outward into our grievances about this or that Warmouth Gretsch etc.. and Amon is going to appear and blow his nose again because he failed Kahler in his senior year. :mrgreen:

But seriously, I want to know how Dave is going to get that 1952 spec Tele built easier, to more accurate spec, through Kiesel.

I mean, sure, one can say: Fender is bloated, cranks on the same models year after year.. but I still maintain, they've been avoiding the pitfalls of Gibson and are still building very good guitars and basses for great prices. Full stop.

But circling back to Spuds last reply.. that's my specific point. I'm just seeing moderately irrational fan love for Kiesel. Just as confusing to the casual observer on the opposite end... And there isn't really an option for what Dave wants outside of sending almost everything in to Kiesel to get a52 spec built!! :laughhard:

And please know.. friendly discussion. I'm not angry at anyone and I hope I'm not angering anybody.
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby colossal » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:03 am

spudmunkey wrote:I can kind of see his point. If you know what specs you're looking for, you pick whatever Kiesel model you want, and you select the options that get you there. With an off-the-shelf company, you can go in knowing exactly what specs you want, but then you've got to sift through their product offering to figure out which of their models actually has the combination of features you want... If it exists at all... And if it doesn't, well then you need to start going backwards through previous year catalogs to figure out if that combination ever actually existed, then hunting down a used one.

Doc and Spud,

This sums it up for me. Let me add a little context. I'm 49 and getting cranky. I'm beginning to long for days gone by, simpler times. To me a Telecaster is an icon. Fender has always been an off-the-shelf company. Just like Ibanez. You either take it or leave it with Ibanez (and I left it long ago). Fender at least has a Custom Shop now, but they have this Masterbuilt schtick implying "grades" of custom quality. Kiesel has always been a custom shop with a simple, menu-based, bottom up approach. You start with a base model and add toppings to your heart's and budget's content; that formula is simple. They don't "celebritize" and compartmentalize the building of your instrument. Every one is built in the US by people dedicated to one simple goal: quality. As a customer, you can keep it simple and use the Builder, or you can drink the KoolAid and ferret out all the option 50s and go nuts. But you get the same level of quality in every instrument. I chose Kiesel because they are an all-American made shop and the build quality is impeccable and easily on par with other companies that offer similar quality at twice the price and usually a lot more.

Every now and then, I circle back around to eye-balling a Telecaster because of their tonal versatility and their iconic footprint. I get to thinking again that I might like to have one, maybe. I love the idea of putting 12s on Tele and playing jazz. When I go to 7ender.com on my iPad, you get front-ended with their lifestyle and marketing. You have to scroll to the BOTTOM to find the guitars. When I find the Telecasters and check the [x] Vintage box on the Tele menu, it comes up with two MIM Teles. :x Where is the Made in Fullerton, USA checkbox? Let's just start there and then let me add:

[x] One-piece Blackguard swamp ash body
[x] One-piece maple Nocaster neck, 21 frets, jumbo/tall frets
[x] Butterscotch blonde that looks like marmalade and makes me smile
[x] Brass compensated saddles served in a dirty ashtray
[x] Black pickguard, 8 screws
[x] 7ender vintage tuners
[x] Neck and Bridge single coils, wound like they were in 1951

Every brand evolves models, names, etc thru the years. There's nothing really odd or confusing. They just put names to the nameless permutations, a fraction of them, that is, that you could create via Kiesel. But yet still, at this late date, not be able to create an authentic Tele yet. There's no pickups here. And I'm not sure that the tray/barrel bridge is up yet either. I just don't see Kiesel as Tele ready, just yet, beyond shape.

Now... That said... If you're one of these guys who gets hyper granular with every aspect of the guitar that must be this this this and that.. then you just need a custom shop anyhow, and complexity is part of your bag and the conversation is moot.

Sure, brands must evolve and supply/demand is the driver. Kiesel has been around longer than 7ender and Kiesel doesn't offer vintage anything. I don't look to the Solo as my Telecaster substitute. It's not, it's a Kieselcaster. It's a variation on an iconic theme and meant to be customized to the individual's taste. The Telecaster has stood the test of time and I, getting older, have a more narrow definition when I think of that name. With a Telecaster, I'll just stick with vanilla; I don't need 31 flavors.

My comment was not meant to spark a heated debate. This thread is about Telecasters, not Kiesels. Eh, I don't even care that much and unless I can feel extremely good about getting exactly what I want from Fender with the same level of quality as a Kiesel, I won't ever buy one. I remember coming across a '52 Reissue probably more than a decade ago and it was a sweet guitar. It was sitting there on its stand, the Butterscotch was just right, the neck was perfect... I probably should've bought it :(

Oh, and sorry Doc, when I said "I would stick with Kiesel" that was misleading...I only meant, that I would just probably end up with a Kiesel SH550 or another Holdsworth. I didn't mean to imply that I was looking to build a Tele equivalent via the Solo. Sorry about that.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:03 am

And there you're absolutely stating your preferences, which are totally respectable.

Have you had the chance to go check out the American Professional current year Tele? This is just me, but I would take it over a vintage spec Tele any day, really from any year. Vintage Teles are great but they're a little uneven and often weak in the bridge. To me the new American Pro represents one of the smartest, pragmatic improvements of a globally iconic "brand legacy" instrument that I've ever seen. Tim Shaw and the guys in Cali really thought the instrument through and did a fantastic job of adding and subtracting elements that for me equal clear improvements to the line. While Gibson is still charging 3 to 4 grand with improvements that are.. direct mount humbuckers bolted through to the back of the body.. unfinished teardrop bursts, jinky automated tuners, pcb boarded wiring "harnesses" etc, Fender and their main line are cruising along making great American made professional grade instruments for awesome prices. You climb up over two grand (not counting the absurd relic shop items) and you're getting into "pricey" for Fender, which I have to give them kudos for.

In terms of all the different variants and manufacturing grades. . . Hitting them for making money where there's money to be made is, well, easy I guess.. Kiesel doesn't create any vintage spec guitars because there's no real vintage spec Kiesels or Carvin guitars on the litany of iconic blues jazz and rock albums that shaped popular music around the world. Name me a single classic rock album on the level of a Stones or Beatles or Cream or Derek and the Dominoes, that everyone knows, that kiesel chose to not capitalize on.

In terms of where there is some intersection, I think Kiesel, even if they're okay with not capitalizing financially by creating a reissue, I think they're crazy by not celebrating their use somewhere in popular culture. I think they should celebrate their heritage a little bit more, grab that little place in rock history. Talk about what, if any, classic recordings their guitars or pickups were used. Legacy is a good thing. I think they should point out the use of the AP 6 pups on the Mosrite line, ie Joe Maphis, talk about what songs FZ used m22's on, Same for Becker, Friedman, etc. It establishes a "sound" in the mind of the public for that given product. And creates a sense of continuity and venerable longevity.

But circling back to what fender does... The things you mention about the Mexican made guitars. I would level a comparison towards Kiesel if, and only if, they decided to forego their American made product entirely for cheaper Mexican made product.

Ever play a $700 dollar Baja Classic Player Tele? Completely extraordinary guitar for peanuts. If you've not played one, do so.. then tell me how and why making such an excellent, versatile guitar, which some (understandably, tbh) claim is every bit as good as the American line.. why that is a bad thing?

Fender does this obviously (not telling any mysteries here) because they've historically known that they have a situation (that kiesel doesn't)-- they have scores of people who want to play, and be seen playing, a Fender Strat or Tele Etc, but they may not have the money to go full on American. So they make more affordable versions available... And the impressive thing is, as good as the American made line is, American owners of Mexican Strats and Telecasters say that we're crazy to spend that extra money, almost fifty percent more, to get what they swear is no better. This is on places like tgp and tdpri, where dudes know what they're talking about! They swear up and down that the American made line is not worth it because the Mexican stuff is so good.

And in terms of all the different names for the same model, etc, I think Fender is just assigning names to the same kind of variants that one might build with Kiesel, but they're giving them names.. whereas with Kiesel it's just whatever you happened to have made up on your own at the moment you ordered. With Fender it's often based on an artist or specs from a time period. Each one is just trying to provide variants in a manner that works for their heritage and customers. And makes them money, obviously.

Anyhow, I hope my screed doesn't come off sounding like I favor Fender over Kiesel (although in the Tele department I do).. I just felt the need to defend them, in terms of the mainline American--and even some of the Mexican which is quite good--line.

So does this mean that you're pretty much done in the hh1 dept, colossal? (I see no reason to buy more, in that the three you have are phenomenal.. but I would have halted with that second, koa beast... But that's just me and my very predictable self :lol: cue Spuds "Oh, you!" meme)
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby colossal » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:29 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:And there you're absolutely stating your preferences, which are totally respectable.

Have you had the chance to go check out the American Professional current year Tele? This is just me, but I would take it over a vintage spec Tele any day, really from any year. Vintage Teles are great but they're a little uneven and often weak in the bridge. To me the new American Pro represents one of the smartest, pragmatic improvements of a globally iconic "brand legacy" instrument that I've ever seen. Tim Shaw and the guys in Cali really thought the instrument through and did a fantastic job of adding and subtracting elements that for me equal clear improvements to the line.

Thanks for the tip on that, Doc. I checked them out. They look really nice and the price is certainly very reasonable too. Only rub is the fretboard is shown as Rosewood only, but the video demo shows a maple neck :?

Ever play a $700 dollar Baja Classic Player Tele? Completely extraordinary guitar for peanuts. If you've not played one, do so.. then tell me how and why making such an excellent, versatile guitar, which some (understandably, tbh) claim is every bit as good as the American line.. why that is a bad thing?

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...And the impressive thing is, as good as the American made line is, American owners of Mexican Strats and Telecasters say that we're crazy to spend that extra money, almost fifty percent more, to get what they swear is no better. This is on places like tgp and tdpri, where dudes know what they're talking about! They swear up and down that the American made line is not worth it because the Mexican stuff is so good.

Well, my only experiences in the past with MIM 7enders was kind of meh...I saw some with less than acceptable neck joints, fretwork was so-so, etc. In total fairness though, this was a LONG time ago, and I do not frequent music shops at all these days, so I really have no basis for comparison. In fact, there is a Tim Lerch video where he showcases a MIM Tele that he modified with some Glendale brass saddles that sounds just killer. I've got no real beef, I have just grown kind of wary of imported anything, because our culture has shifted to debt fueled mania and hyperconsumption where price, not quality is the driver. But that is my own economics and as such, I select for quality American made stuff in general. But I don't want to digress into some economic/political rant. I'll remain open minded.

So does this mean that you're pretty much done in the hh1 dept, colossal? (I see no reason to buy more, in that the three you have are phenomenal.. but I would have halted with that second, koa beast... But that's just me and my very predictable self :lol: cue Spuds "Oh, you!" meme)

Well, I certainly don't need more HHs and three is probably two too many. When I got my first, I was really into Holdsworth and chasing that sound to some degree. Plus I was thrilled when Kiesel introduced a headless. They are such great guitars in lots of ways. A while back, I got to play GregEmm's (a super helluva nice guy) lovely HH1 with Option 50 Bridge Pickup Delete. He is the only guy that has done an HH1 with just a neck pickup only and deleted the bridge. He had it strung with 10s. At the time, I had 8s on all my guitars. I helped him adjust the pickup, pole pieces, height, and action. It was too boisterous from factory for what he wanted to do. If you fast forward to today, and the timeliness of this thread (!), I listen to a lot of jazz. I love Pat Metheny and his brand of orchestral/progressive jazz, Tim Miller (who we might as well call the new Holdsworth), guys like Tim Lerch who are getting archtop sounds out of a Tele, etc. I put 10s on my mahogany/walnut HH and to be honest, that has become my main player these days. I am picking and plucking notes and chords and playing clean, rather than legatoing everything. The HHs just shine with heavier strings. They are little chameleons.

So to back into my comment about staying with Kiesel in context to finding a tonal solution to what I am leaning towards these days... I could easily see getting an HH1 Bridge Pickup Delete, like Greg's. I love that clean archtop sound with a neck PAF humbucker with the ultra smooth zero-attack "boop" Pat Metheny gets. Keisel doesn't make an archtop, with the nearest equivalent being the SH550. I haven't mentioned it before, but I am on Jeff's waiting list for a K-edition of an HH1. I had some ideas which I ran by him and he agreed to do. But the wait is long, and I am patient. It's a want, not a need.

It's the tone of the Tele or an Archtop in the neck pickup position with the Volume and Tone rolled back slightly that I love. Heck, I changed the pots and cap in my HHs and roll the Tone ALL the way down and it sounds quite neck-like in many ways, without being too muffled.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:39 pm

colossal wrote: They look really nice and the price is certainly very reasonable too. Only rub is the fretboard is shown as Rosewood only, but the video demo shows a maple neck :?


Oh, that's just my preference, I find the maple boarded Teles just a hair bright for my tastes so I've been linking in my rosewood boarded Teles (including the last one I linked in with the full on rosewood neck).. but they make the American Pro with full uncapped, fretted maple necks w no board laid on top.. also by check out I meant "play one," I think you'll be blown away. I'd love a 52 to put away somewhere, but I'd take a mainline Pro onstage every time. Here's the maple neck lineup:

Here's a butterscotch:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... ingerboard

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Candy apple red:
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Natural ash:
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Seafoam:
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3 color burst:
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black:
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I think that's the rundown of the colors w maple board. The rosewood board captures the sonic grey and the crimson trans which I linked aove. The double bucker version of the Am Pro w the Shawbuckers has a wicked silver burst with an ebony board:
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Omsong » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:35 pm

I wonder if Fender is pushing maple fretboards since rosewood now has heavy export restrictions. At some point raw RW boards will in shortage, too. Aren't their maple fretboards actually one piece maple necks?
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:49 pm

Omsong wrote:I wonder if Fender is pushing maple fretboards since rosewood now has heavily export restrictions. At some point raw RW boards will in shortage, too. Aren't their maple fretboards actually one piece maple necks?


Usually they are, yes. I feel like there's too large of a market for Fender to completely abandon rosewood (or at least rosewood-looking woods). I mean...could you imagine an SRV (or Dave Murray, Eric johnson, etc) strat without it's dark fretboard? I mean...sure, i can...but some can't. :-p

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby colossal » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:59 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:Here's a butterscotch:

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby amon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:54 pm

Again, $1500 for a production model Tele is just nuts. I don't care where it's made.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby amon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Omsong wrote:I wonder if Fender is pushing maple fretboards since rosewood now has heavy export restrictions. At some point raw RW boards will in shortage, too. Aren't their maple fretboards actually one piece maple necks?

There are varieties from India that are okay for international shipment, but apparently Fender hasn't gone to the trouble of doing the paperwork (like Warmoth has) as they've gone to the more washed out looking Pau Ferro for their Mexican models. You can still get Rosewood on the Squier models, strangely enough.

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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Omsong » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:38 am

amon wrote:Again, $1500 for a production model Tele is just nuts. I don't care where it's made.


It is! But, as is the case with nearly everything in life, you have to pay exponentially more to get an incrementally better improvement. I'm always thinking that mid to high end guitars are ridiculously priced until I look in a camera catalog. :)
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Re: Telecaster Thread? Tele thread...

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:23 am

amon wrote:Again, $1500 for a production model Tele is just nuts. I don't care where it's made.




Well, it's.. a guitar? Slab of ash or alder, with holes and routes shaved and drilled in and through it, a bridge and a neck bolted into it, with pickups, frets and tuners. Like so many other USA made guitars that cost a good bit more but don't play any better. It's not like a Tele is made out of particle board or sheetrock versus other guitars which are all made of solid koa!

It's 1399, not 1500... so Amon is one banana high. You can pretty much get it at this 1400 price (and lower in some cases) across many dealers.
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But with the upgrades on the pots, the bone nut, the brand new Tim Shaw pups, the newly designed bridge (the upgraded everything, really including frets, tuners, neck profile, pretty much everything), just the flight case alone is solid product:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... gI28fD_BwE

With all this and the way it plays, I think it's one of the best deals in the bidnzzz...

I might have said the same thing before playing it, but it feels and plays so incredible--it feels and plays like an absolute masterpiece of a Tele that can outslug the best custom shop item (for me anyhow, but the thing seems to be a grand slam for all who play it, including heavy lifetime Tele dudes). Considering what other USA manufacturers are charging, and considering how much work went into this awesome guitar versus all the other Teles including the Fender custom shop and AVRI repros (which I find this vastly superior to)... just thinking of Gibson... the complaint for a mere 1399 on a USA made instrument is not really viable for me.. but to each their own, fine gentlemen.

I think unless you sit down and play the guitar and lay it against your generic Tele, and feel in your hand the sum total all the improvements that went into it... and see how it's such a departure from your typical "production model Tele" and see how much was invested in it... then you should reserve judgement.

And if you have--then you have every right to your opinion. But it's not something I come across much--the sense that it's overpriced.
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