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Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Villose » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:05 am

This is my first Floyd Rose guitar (ST300). When I take an natural harmonic 5th or 7th fret and I push FR down the pitch goes doen and the string vibrates but when I pull up and the pitch goes up the note dies almost immediately, it does not ring anymore, it is more like some buzzing sound. Is this normal or is there something wrong with FR, FR settings or with the guitar?

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby DWG » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:17 am

Hey Villose,

What happens when you hit the harmonic at the neutral bar position and just raise the bar/pitch? Does the note still "die immediately"?

If you are really "dropping" the bar to the point where the strings flap, then I would not expect the harmonic to keep ringing. Try dropping the note a bit less or... drop the bar a touch and then hit the harmonic and raise that baby up.

I hope that helps!
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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Villose » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:43 am

Hi DWG!

When I hit the natural harmonic it is ok but when I start to raise the bar sometimes it dies pretty much immediately and sometimes it starts to raise the note (whistele) but starts to break and it does not whistle any more cleanly what it should do I suppose. I studied so called Dimebag harmonic squeal and it is the same thing, basically same what ever harmonic pull ups I do.

I lifted FR a bit and suddenly I cant even get natural harmonics at the 5th fret well but from 7th fret they are still fine. I dont know if it is a FR setup thing or is there something wrong with the guitar, I mean I thought that this guitars would be able to do every kind of harmonics well. Or am I lacking some technique to do that which I doubt since it is not hard to pick a natural or artificial harmonic for me and then raise the bar.

Could it be the pickups M22V and M22SD? Some say those are not good pickups some say they are good. I have Duncan Alnico Pro II Slash signature pickups in the other guitar. I saw a video where there was Alnico Pro II Slash in JB200C so I guess they fit to ST300 too. I could try to change them someday, or at least the other one.

I also dont believe that the problem is with my other gear since I took the guitar to a music store today and played through their quality amp, the same thing, natural harmonics die way too soon.

I thought that now when I got this guitar I can hit harmonics like EVH easily but it is not happening. Maybe some extra gain, chorus, sustain etc pedals would help?

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Cynical » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:57 am

If you want to use "pull ups" a lot on a Floyd Rose, you'll need to raise your action.

The Floyd Rose is basically a see-saw. When you push it down and lower the pitch, the height over the strings is raised; likewise, when you pull it up and raise the pitch, the height over the strings is lowered. Pull up too much with low action, and you'll just buzz out.

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Villose » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:54 pm

Thanks Cynical! That really makes sense and I think it is the problem now when you said that and I checked it. When pulling up bar I see strings going lower. I really like low action and how it is set up now but I will try to raise the FR someday at least just to check if I get those pull up harmonics ring in their full range. This is all new to me so it takes time to get used to it and how to adjust it carefully and well.

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Villose » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:12 am

I tried to raise the FR but it doesnt help. Notes are dying. Could it be the strings or could it be the trust rod? I am getting pretty desperate and thinking about selling the whole guitar.

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby DWG » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:28 am

Hey Villose,

If you could post some pictures of the guitar's action and bridge, perhaps there could be some additional suggestions. Better yet, a small audio/video to demonstrate what you are experiencing.

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Re: Floyd rose notes dying

Postby Ultraworld » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:46 am

Did you figure out the issues with the Floyd Rose yet? I'm going to assume you are still dealing with it, or you sent it back.
If you still are, when you pull up, the strings are hitting something. Usually, it's the frets. Steve Vai made the recessed trem popular. He pulled it up till the strings till they hit the 24th fret, he called it the mouse sound.
But your notes are dying, the strings getting too close to the pickups causes the notes to die out. The magnets stop the string vibration. Pull it sharp and see how close the strings get to the pickups. You really don't need the pickups too close to the strings, even pick up manufacturers spec them too close IMO. I back them down so the string can ring out longer, your hi-gain amp will do the rest. Try it. I've been a Luthier, Amp, Fx tech since 1980, I love Floyds. But they need a little love now and then to make them behave.


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