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Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby jace_warforged » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:42 am

I recently got a Vader V6X from the guitars in stock and I've been loving it so far. The tremolo is really quite nice and I'd say preferable over a Floyd Rose in every aspect except the tremolo arm. The issue I have with it is that it fits too loosely into the tremolo. It's so loose that it will literally fall right out while I'm playing, which makes it pretty much useless unless I'm sitting down playing.

I tried putting a little piece of tape on the end of the arm but even the smallest piece I could put on made it too thick to fit into the tremolo. Trying to figure out how to get it to fit a little more snug in there so it won't fall out on it's own.

Anyone have similar issues? Any suggestions? Thanks.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby arahobob » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:08 am

Is there a set screw to tighten it in?
I haven't seen this trem ...yet


Not many people have them - its still pretty new.
I'd call or email the sales dept and see what they say.
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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby spudmunkey » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:11 am

No, no set screw I don't think.

Stupid question...is it in all the way? In the Gear Gods video review, it looks like he was pushing it pretty firmly, and almost looks like there's a "catch" point...but having never used one (or even the original Hipshot Contour), I can't be sure.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby jace_warforged » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:37 am

So there's no screw to tighten it, the bar just fits in. It's definitely in all the way. When I first got it, the arm stayed in fine, then after a matter of hours it loosened to the point it's at now where it just falls out.

Oddly enough the Vader I got is the exact same one from the Gear Gods video haha. He must've sent it back cause I snagged it off the GIS.

Probably going to call Kiesel on Monday about it.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby jace_warforged » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:42 pm

So there actually is a screw on the tremolo block that adjusts how tight the tremolo arm fits in. If you put in the arm and push the tremolo down a bit you'll find it right underneath where the arm goes in.

Tightened it up a tiny bit and we're good to go! So glad it was an easy fix, they really did design this tremolo quite well. Would've liked to have some sort of manual included but everything else about it is pretty intuitive.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby spudmunkey » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:02 pm

Even hipshot doesn't have manuals for anything on their website, not even their own headless bridge (which isn't super obvious). Just measurements.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby MarkusB » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:18 am

jace_warforged wrote:So there actually is a screw on the tremolo block that adjusts how tight the tremolo arm fits in. If you put in the arm and push the tremolo down a bit you'll find it right underneath where the arm goes in.


I'm having the same problem with my new HH1X (which now mounts the Vader tremolo)... Could you post a photo of the adjustment screw? Thanks!

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby MarkusB » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:49 am

OK, I've found it. Black screw- on black hardware- on black guitar- my fading eyesight was really put to test. Of course, the size of the hex screw is different from those in the headpiece...

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby arahobob » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:24 pm

MarkusB wrote:OK, I've found it. Black screw- on black hardware- on black guitar- my fading eyesight was really put to test. Of course, the size of the hex screw is different from those in the headpiece...



There's two screws - which are you adjusting? upper , lower , or both?

They don't seem to hold the bar in place for long before loosening up - if they're too tight the bar won't go in or out.

What's your experiences with it at this point?
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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby arahobob » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:25 pm

*double post :?
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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby MarkusB » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:06 am

arahobob wrote:What's your experiences with it at this point?


The upper one... And there seems to be no sweet spot to be found at which the arm doesn't move around or come out on its own, but you can still take it out or move it when you want. It's just a screw pushing against the arm, metal vs metal. A sub-optimal design in my opinion...

Now, I was wondering if it would be possible to remove the screw, put a small piece of rubber or something similar into the hole, then insert the screw again. This could make it more adjustable but still secure, without any metal on metal scraping involved...

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby spudmunkey » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:30 am

MarkusB wrote:
arahobob wrote:What's your experiences with it at this point?


The upper one... And there seems to be no sweet spot to be found at which the arm doesn't move around or come out on its own, but you can still take it out or move it when you want. It's just a screw pushing against the arm, metal vs metal. A sub-optimal design in my opinion...

Now, I was wondering if it would be possible to remove the screw, put a small piece of rubber or something similar into the hole, then insert the screw again. This could make it more adjustable but still secure, without any metal on metal scraping involved...


Jeex, I sound like a shill for this company since i'm posting it in the 3rd place today...but McMaster Carr sells sets screws in many sizes, and many are plastic, have plastic tips, or have brass or roller ball tips. I have no idea if any would fit the trem, but there you go. :)

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby CarvinDan » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:40 am

spudmunkey wrote:Jeex, I sound like a shill for this company since i'm posting it in the 3rd place today...but McMaster Carr sells sets screws in many sizes, and many are plastic, have plastic tips, or have brass or roller ball tips. I have no idea if any would fit the trem, but there you go. :)


Do we know what size the set screw is? I'm definitely noticing the same same issue that others have mentioned where the bar comes completely loose after tightening the set screw. A ball-point set screw seems like it would do the trick, but looking at McMaster-Carr the shortest of those are 1/8" which may be a bit long?

If anyone has found a good solution, please share...

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby Rialas » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:24 am

CarvinDan wrote:
spudmunkey wrote:Jeex, I sound like a shill for this company since i'm posting it in the 3rd place today...but McMaster Carr sells sets screws in many sizes, and many are plastic, have plastic tips, or have brass or roller ball tips. I have no idea if any would fit the trem, but there you go. :)


Do we know what size the set screw is? I'm definitely noticing the same same issue that others have mentioned where the bar comes completely loose after tightening the set screw. A ball-point set screw seems like it would do the trick, but looking at McMaster-Carr the shortest of those are 1/8" which may be a bit long?

If anyone has found a good solution, please share...

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+1 on a good solution needed, on an otherwise perfect instrument.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby The Pierce Paradox » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:05 am

Another Vader trem owner here. Love the guitar, but the set screw design on the bar is pretty bad. Comes loose easily and is very difficult to access. I emailed them asking for solutions/feedback...we will see what they say

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby arahobob » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:54 am

The Pierce Paradox wrote:Another Vader trem owner here. Love the guitar, but the set screw design on the bar is pretty bad. Comes loose easily and is very difficult to access. I emailed them asking for solutions/feedback...we will see what they say


I totally agree. It's not the easiest thing to get too. Especially in the dark.
I spoke to customer service about it.
They said just tighten the screw.

Some folks are fine with it. I wasn't happy with it so back it went.
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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby The Pierce Paradox » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:00 pm

anyone figure out the set screw size? Maybe a plastic screw with a bit of super glue would help. Plastic would allow less friction and some loctite to help hold it in place...

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby /Y\ » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:26 pm

The set screw has 8-32 threads. If you want to improve the trem arm attachment, go to a hardware store and buy a 1/2" long 8-32 nylon screw. 27 cents at my local Ace hardware. Cut off the head, then saw a slot for a small flat head screw driver. Use this in place of the metal set screw.

Insert the arm and tighten the screw. The arm now stays in place but you can still pull it out & re-insert it. It helps to sand off the sharp edges of the arm where it goes into the bridge, so it can squeeze past the set screw. Even better would be to sand the tip of the arm where it goes into the bridge, making it slightly conical. Then the arm could then be really tight (if you like it tight!) but still removable simply by pulling out.

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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby spudmunkey » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:38 pm

What do you think? Here's how I'd imagine this could be. You can tighten the screw just enough that it could catch in that groove so that it wouldn't slide out, but can still swing free. Then, you can still tighten it if you want.

I'm not sure there's a way to have both of those settings in a way that would still hold it if you wanted it to be the push-in style without needing a spring clip/washer of some sort. :think:


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Re: Vader V6X Tremolo Arm

Postby arahobob » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:11 pm

/Y\ wrote:The set screw has 8-32 threads. If you want to improve the trem arm attachment, go to a hardware store and buy a 1/2" long 8-32 nylon screw. 27 cents at my local Ace hardware. Cut off the head, then saw a slot for a small flat head screw driver. Use this in place of the metal set screw.

Insert the arm and tighten the screw. The arm now stays in place but you can still pull it out & re-insert it. It helps to sand off the sharp edges of the arm where it goes into the bridge, so it can squeeze past the set screw. Even better would be to sand the tip of the arm where it goes into the bridge, making it slightly conical. Then the arm could then be really tight (if you like it tight!) but still removable simply by pulling out.



8/32 sounds wrong to me.
It looked smaller (going purely by memory - I sent mine back)

My gut says it's metric and smaller.
Not 100% sure of course.
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