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Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:30 am
by MMFB
Hey all!,
I did a search and didn't find anything. So here it goes. Do you know the mV outputs on the Lithium pickups, neck and bridge? Specifically the 7 string versions, if that matters. I see you have Ohms listed but not output in mV.
Thanks!

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:49 am
by MMFB
Come on tech support! Don't let me down!
:mrgreen:

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:20 am
by Doctor Turn
Go on the website
For example, bridge:
- black
- bridge position
- Alnico V
- ceramic booster magnets
- 13.16k ohms
- dimensions pole to pole on center: .406" (10.3mm)
- dimensions between center of outside poles: 2.030" (51.5mm)


What I really (and I daresay many other techophiles want to see and have wanted to see since hearing these pups for the first time) are the resonant peaks and just the EQ bar graph chart from Lows to Highs, which they have for everything but these Kiesel series pups. I want to see the size of the high mid spike for the liths.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:52 am
by Cynical
The problem is, there's no consistent/meaningful way to measure output voltage. It's dependent on a bunch of outside factors such as the strings you use, the instrument the pickup is on, the pick you use, and how hard you hit the strings.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:01 am
by Doctor Turn
:laughhard: :lol: :laughhard:

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:59 am
by MMFB
Yes! Some meaningful way to compare them to other pickups would be good. Low-Mid and High graph or SOMETHING. I imagine there are people who reflexively switch out the pick-ups without giving them a chance. I've heard good things about the Lithiums and I don't currently have any plans on changing them. But, I also haven't received my new Vader either. If they don't cut they'll be gone.
M

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:24 am
by Cynical
For all of the negatives that some people have with the Lithiums, I can't imagine that anyone is going to say they won't cut through a mix. Not with those mids. If that's what you're looking for, you should be golden.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm
by Cynical
Also, I should let this go, but I've had a couple to drink now, and I just can't -- what's so funny about pointing out that output voltage is a combination of both the pickup itself and how the strings are moving? Do you think you'll get the same voltage from strumming one string as lightly as possible as you would from a huge Pete Townsend power chord?

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:23 pm
by MMFB
I meant if they don't cut it, they'll be replaced. But I'm sure they'll be fine.
\m/

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:05 pm
by hallwayminstrel
Cynical wrote:Do you think you'll get the same voltage from strumming one string as lightly as possible as you would from a huge Pete Townsend power chord?


I think you're right. Voltage varies by the amplitude of the string vibration.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:05 am
by organictimbre
Cynical wrote:Also, I should let this go, but I've had a couple to drink now, and I just can't -- what's so funny about pointing out that output voltage is a combination of both the pickup itself and how the strings are moving? Do you think you'll get the same voltage from strumming one string as lightly as possible as you would from a huge Pete Townsend power chord?




:laughhard: :lol: :laughhard: :laughhard: :lol:

Sorry I had to do it. It seemed like a weird reaction to a perfectly normal statement. You are absolutely right that the output voltage is dependent on so many things - frequency, output impedance, string distance, strumming force, etc. I guess the controlled test is to direct some sound at the pickup from some fixed distance, frequency, and amplitude and then measure output, but I don't think there is an industry standard test for that.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:07 pm
by Doctor Turn
The reason that it's weird to you is that you're not privvy to the endless litany of conversations about pickups prior to this one where this response, which is well known by all involved in those discussions, is always unloaded by the same person as if on cue in a desire to "instruct."

It's like every time you're having an innocent discussion about the nice tone of some new guitar you've played in GC, someone is always crunching into the conversation to unload his Breaking News Special Report, "How many times do I have to say that tone in an electric guitar comes from many things and it's not coming from what you think it does--it comes from the amp, it comes from the tubes and which tube is placed in what position, the sonic bias of the speaker in that amp, whether or not you're using pedals."

(Who knew that health care could be so complicated? Not all epiphanies are actual epiphanies... that's why eyes roll.)

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:33 pm
by Cynical
If a certain user would stop spewing misinformation every time the topic of pickups came up, I wouldn't have to make so many corrections, would I?

I mean, really, you keep claiming that everything I say is "well known to all"... so why do you keep saying things you (claim to) know are incorrect until I show up? Do you have a desire to knowingly spread misinformation?

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:03 pm
by Doctor Turn
Just stop already.You are literally the most masochistic person I've ever run into on a music forum.

Simply because I have a general conversation about pickup outputs and tone doesn't mean, just because I didn't include a categorical dissertation on all the possible additional qualifiers that go into the sum of a "sound" doesn't mean you have to leap in by parachute to these conversations over and over and over again to say the same thing. You make yourself look sophmoric and silly. The things you bring up are utterly basic to a man who's played guitar for 40 years. "DC resistance isn't the only thing that affects output!!" screamed time and time and time and time again when I talk pickup output and mention DC resistance and the subject of wire type or turns or mag type or any of the other things that could potentially come into play hasn't been mentioned--you assume the lack of a mention requires the Cynicalian Pickup Howl.

I'm already painfully long winded in half of my posts. You want me to start footnoting all of my statements with all of the things that I HAVEN'T mentioned on a given subject when it comes to pickups just to keep you from breaking out in your special rash?

Just stop this stuff already--you always get proven ill informed (like your dissertation on the pickup covers on Gibson pups last go round) and naiive when we talk.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:29 pm
by Cynical
In our last go round, you said that you couldn't do metal on lower powered pickups when discussing a low-output Seymour Duncan pickup (according to Duncan's engineers, that set has an output between the Seth Lovers and Jazz models) that's designed to do metal, so I wouldn't talk about ill-informed or naïve if I was you.

Care to explain what laughing when I mention that mV output in a vacuum means if not some variant of "you're wrong"? I wasn't even responding to anything you said, so your explanation that it's the latest round in some endless chain of conversations with you doesn't make any sense at all. You'll notice I specifically didn't engage your idea that the bar graph EQs mean anything (just look at the old M22SD chart vs the new one, lol... yeah, M22SDs have no bass at all and are mid spiked instead of mid scooped, right?), but you just can't help following me around when I say anything for some reason.

Likewise, since you keep bringing it up, if you know that DCR and output aren't the same, then why do you mention DCR as being a way to get a reasonable picture of how hot a pickup will be?

Also, don't you have me on ignore?

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:50 pm
by Doctor Turn
Lol. Just go away cynical. You're just making stuff up and anybody can read it or see it. You want to play gotcha from anger from an old grudge. I was talking tech with Rodrigo about how his pickups were GOOD for metal because of how articulate they are, despite the basic fact of their output levels putting them in paf output territory. I was asserting that there's more to a pickup than just it's output. I was asserting the difference between the Duncan's and pafs, and having a friendly discussion with him. Now just stop... Go fight elsewhere. This is exactly why you're on ignore.

The thread is here,

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49450&p=637073&hilit=Sentient#p637073

I'm serious dude. This is way old. Let it go.

Re: Lithium Pickup outputs

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:54 am
by Cynical
So, let me get this straight -- you come into a thread where I wasn't even responding to you to click and open every post I make while you have me on ignore for the sake of making sniping responses, and I'm the one with the grudge?

Hey, I think I found a photo of you: Image