The Holdsworth Group II (H2, Fatboy, Synth, new HH models)

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re: The Holdsworth Group II (H1/H2, HF1/HF2/Fatboy, HF2S/Syn

Postby speedyone » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:24 pm

I'm considering getting an H2.

The style of leads I play is very similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxQMt6lr ... re=related

BUT, I prefer the liquid/glassy tone of the neck pickup on a Strat.

Do you guys with Holdsworths think I could get close enough to that tone with a H2 or is that not possible?

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Postby speedyone » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:37 pm

I just read something about the tune-o-matic bridges on the Holdsworth NOT matching the 20" radius... can anyone confirm this?

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Postby speedyone » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:52 pm

Also, anyone have any issues with intonation using the the tune-o-matic on a Holdsworth?

Thanks for any info you can share.

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Postby Timotheedle » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:12 pm

^^^
I have an HF2 and it stays in tune all the time. and regarding intonation, I still have the factory set up, I've only lowered the action... a lot. the intonation is still fine. it's just a high functioning machine.

and also if you play sort of like marshall harrison I think you should check out the holdsworth. I think the flat radius really helps with legato like what marshall talks about.

and I really emphasize that it stays in tune with the tunomatic, I tune very very seldomly

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Postby speedyone » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:21 pm

Thanks very much for the response.

Being in tune is a big deal for me; it drives me nuts to have to tune on the fly.

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Postby stickman-393 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:36 pm

speedyone wrote:I just read something about the tune-o-matic bridges on the Holdsworth NOT matching the 20" radius... can anyone confirm this?


The stock TOM bridges will match the 20" radius fine. On my HF2 I changed the TOM to an aftermarket variant, and the radius is different, but I deal with it. Keep stock, and you'll be fine.

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Postby speedyone » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:31 pm

Just out of curiosity, which aftermarket bridge did you go with?

There is a really cool Babicz bridge that I thought about trying out:

http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/tom.htm

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Postby Timotheedle » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:33 pm

^^^
that babicz bridge looks pretty neat.

is that the same babicz that was with steinberger sound?

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Postby speedyone » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:51 pm

You know, I'm not sure.

But he's come up with some innovative ideas it appears, so maybe.

I just found out about his stuff through the Les Paul forum, when I was googling "Tune-o-matic bridges".

I'm a sucker for new technology...plus I'm always looking for new ways to stay in tune better and have nicer tone.

If I get the H2, I may give this bridge a try.

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Postby Timotheedle » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:17 pm

hey you know holdworth played a charvel style strat for a while there.

if you look in his interviews and his book uncommon chord he talks about how in the early days he wanted to basically have a strat style guitar (scale, neck dimensions) but he wanted humbuckers. all this is from memory and not necessarily relevant, so don't let it concern you too much.

imo, holdsworth not only took part in innovating the way the instrument was played, but the nature of the instrument itself, and it seems like the H2/HF2 are pretty close to the current ideal--neck dimensions, scale, flat radius, humbuckers, hollow/chambered body. Then of course all the fine tuning specs that came with his experimentation I guess.

I'm just trying to say that the stratocaster style design for the electric guitar seems to me to be in the back of holdsworth's mind when he designed the guitar. it's like a building block or something.


mostly conjecture by the way.


so more importantly, you've seen the holdsworth Carvin video right???!
I watched that probably 50 times while I was in the process of deciding on the right guitar.

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Postby speedyone » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:37 pm

Thanks for the neat background info!

Indeed, I have seen the Carvin DVD a number of times-- mostly back when I got my other two Carvins around 2008.

No instrument is perfect (for me anyway); a Bolt would be perfect if it had 24 frets and got a more "semi-hollow" clean tone...the H2 would be perfect if it could get that 2/5 strat neck position tone.

:?

Well, after much debate I think I'm going to go for the H2. If I don't like it, then I'll try the Bolt.

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Postby Bob77 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:40 pm

Hey mikeymac,

what happened to the other thread?

That H2 I got from you still remains my all-time favorite guitar. Even if I sold all other guitars I have, that one would be a keeper!!!

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Postby mikeymac » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 pm

Bob77 wrote:Hey mikeymac,

what happened to the other thread?

That H2 I got from you still remains my all-time favorite guitar. Even if I sold all other guitars I have, that one would be a keeper!!!


According to Kevio ... no one knows. He checked on it a while back when I couldn't find it, and he told me he isn't sure what happened to it, especially since it was still an active thread, and it hadn't reached the number of posts that a couple other threads had which were closed because they were taking up so much bandwidth.

So ... it's a mystery. Which is why I started this new thread!

Yeah, that is a great guitar; if you ever change your mind about it, call me first - but I've got two more Holdsworth builds bouncing around in my brain - a Fatboy and an H2T. I just need the money so I can order 'em! :cry:

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Postby Bob77 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:40 am

mikeymac wrote:
Bob77 wrote:Hey mikeymac,

what happened to the other thread?

That H2 I got from you still remains my all-time favorite guitar. Even if I sold all other guitars I have, that one would be a keeper!!!


According to Kevio ... no one knows. He checked on it a while back when I couldn't find it, and he told me he isn't sure what happened to it, especially since it was still an active thread, and it hadn't reached the number of posts that a couple other threads had which were closed because they were taking up so much bandwidth.

So ... it's a mystery. Which is why I started this new thread!

Yeah, that is a great guitar; if you ever change your mind about it, call me first - but I've got two more Holdsworth builds bouncing around in my brain - a Fatboy and an H2T. I just need the money so I can order 'em! :cry:


Interesting how that thread disappeared!!! Oh well, this one is going well so far :)

I'm sure the ones you have in mind will be awesome guitars. Perhaps you could sell some of your current guitars to fund the new ones, lol

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Postby stickman-393 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:50 am

speedyone wrote:Just out of curiosity, which aftermarket bridge did you go with?

There is a really cool Babicz bridge that I thought about trying out:

http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/tom.htm


Speedy, I documented the process in this thread: Haunting the Fat Lady

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Postby speedyone » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:14 am

Very cool mods!

I don't know that I'd be that daring to cut-up a guitar...but yours came out great.

Now I'm finalizing options on an H2--can hardly wait to order!

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Postby speedyone » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:10 pm

I don't suppose there is anyone in the Omaha Nebraska area with a Holdsworth I can try?

I met Mikeymac awhile back to try his out, but it was a lefty, so I couldn't really judge whether it would work for me or not.

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Postby speedyone » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:10 pm

Another question:

How is the string spacing on the Holdsworths?

The site says the nut width for a H2 is the same as a Bolt, but is the string spacing the same between these two?

I ask because I really dislike the Ibanez RG type wide string spacing.

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Postby mikeymac » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:13 am

HERE IT IS!

On Sunday, between worship services at my church, I was presented with the finished, painted Fatboy! WOW. It came out so much better than I expected - way beyond my expectations. I brought it home yesterday afternoon and put the pickups and hardware back in, resoldered and restrung it and tuned 'er up! Took about an hour to do that. The paint job didn't hurt her tone or resonance at all; she still sounds and plays great! (Right now I have a DiMarzio Norton in the bridge and a DiMarzio PAF Classic in the neck.)

I now call her the 'Celtic Cross Fatboy'!

Here are a few shots; I'll create a more detailed pic post in the Photo Gallery, so check over there as well.

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Postby ElfDude » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:16 am

Holy cow!!! :shock:


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