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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:32 pm

There's a guy selling a black Mercury V on Verb.. he originally had it higher in price than the cost of the guitar brand new from an authorized dealer. I messaged the store and they brought it down right around the cost of new.

Then there's the guy that was selling a Hagstrom goya for forty grand on flea Bay. They are the first electric guitar they ever made, came out in 58-59. They typically sell for 2500-4 grand. Lol. They're cool fun guitars, unusual, but they're not "great" guitars by any means. Pure nostalgia. I sent him an offer of ten bucks just to break his cojones.

Edit: hey! He relisted it at... Only eighteen grand!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/372151846880

What a turd this dude is.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:39 pm

Doctor Turn wrote: I sent him an offer of ten bucks just to break his cojones.


"'Hagstrom’? Never heard of em. Were they a grocery store house brand? I'll give you a crisp Hamilton for it." :lol:

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Bob77 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:21 am

spudmunkey wrote:Some people are truly delusional. A guy is trying to sell a TL60 on the Facebook group for $1,000. Solid paint, fixed bridge, dot inlays, chrome hardware.

It's 18 years old, and would have cost around $700 new. Even now new (at least for a couple more days), I think you could get it for $1,039 with the hardshell case and warranty.


Often times the stuff that shows up on the FB group makes me go like :laughhard:

A few have popped for sale even before the sellers got them from Kiesel :shock: ....or sell them very soon after getting them. Honey moon period cut short!

Re-sale value has never been there for these instruments - unless you sell to somebody from this forum that has a deeper appreciation for the instrument.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Omsong » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:46 am

40 Grand - was that in USD or pesos?
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby UnexplodedCow » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:26 am

spudmunkey wrote:Some people are truly delusional. A guy is trying to sell a TL60 on the Facebook group for $1,000. Solid paint, fixed bridge, dot inlays, chrome hardware.

It's 18 years old, and would have cost around $700 new. Even now new (at least for a couple more days), I think you could get it for $1,039 with the hardshell case and warranty.


Yup, I saw that one. I've noticed people are trying to push up the prices on that FB group. Still, a few people have priced things reasonably.

Someone had also posted a DC127 as a DC400. Lacked the block inlays and active electronics from what I saw, but it looks like it was taken down.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:00 am

spudmunkey wrote:
Doctor Turn wrote: I sent him an offer of ten bucks just to break his cojones.


"'Hagstrom’? Never heard of em. Were they a grocery store house brand? I'll give you a crisp Hamilton for it." :lol:


Lol! Hey, I love those vintage Hagstroms (obviously, lmao, like duhhhh), but really. That was just ridiculous. There's a lot of nostalgia for those really early Goya/P46's, Kurt Cobain's prized blue one that he scored was scheduled to be auctioned off for charity recently, don't know if it ever happened. (I don't think he ever played it onstage, a friend or manager I think found it for him, ie he knew Kurt had been trying to find one, and so he bought it on the spot after calling Kurt and getting the okay. But that was late in his life, he only really played those 60's HIi's with the single coils, and either a Kent or a Futurama from the same era.)

Thing about those early Goya - P46's, Hagstrom was originally an accordion company. By the second half of the fifties, they saw that the future was in guitars, and those Goya- P46's are the first model. They're made of all the things laying around an accordion factory... Switches, buttons, mother of toilet seat, pearloid everywhere, plastic. Some of the earlier glitter guitars. The bodies and necks and fretboards are synthetic material. One cool thing is the frets are stainless steel and so last forever.

For me their best guitars came in the very end of the sixties early seventies when most of the existing models got an "N" (for'new version') tacked onto them, those nice buckers were introduced and used in those models. The Swede and innovative Super, the Jimmy, etc were also introduced. Superb stuff. THOSE are great guitars!! As more people discover them, the prices have been creeping steadily upwards, so my mission over the past year was to grab some critical wants.

Hey they're all very imaginative, unique.. but 40 thou (or even 18k) for a p46 is kookadoo. At least at this point.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:14 am

Jeff just said their annual sandpaper bill is around $120,000. :shock:

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:41 am

Bob77 wrote:@Doctor Turn...that's a great guitar! That would be perfect for me: smaller/lighter body and P90s. Can't get any better.



Hey Bob, I haven't looked super closely at it, but one of those rare unbound/ebony-board/full TOM bridge "Jr Special Exclusives" appeared on Reverb. You may see a couple a year from this specific run:

https://reverb.com/item/8309589-gibson- ... -exclusive

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Everything looks on the money. right down to the truss rod cover that's properly blank, rather than saying "Special" on it, etc. The price is pretty normal for this model (my seller didn't know what he had, he bought it from someone else in bad need of cash years before, and priced it like a regular Special, I got him down to $725 lol).
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Bob77 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:36 pm

That's a nice one....but I'm left handed! :wall:

You got a heck of a deal with yours lol!
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:44 pm

Bob77 wrote:That's a nice one....but I'm left handed! :wall:

You got a heck of a deal with yours lol!


Ah crap. I knew that too but completely forgot.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Bob77 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:35 am

It's all good :mrgreen:

Though it has been a challenge many times, I have to say that things have gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better for lefties. There so many more left handed guitars available now.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby UnexplodedCow » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:43 am

Bob77 wrote:It's all good :mrgreen:

Though it has been a challenge many times, I have to say that things have gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better for lefties. There so many more left handed guitars available now.


Very much agreed! Now if I could find a left handed keyboard....
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Dometalican » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:25 pm

In terms of options on their guitars and basses, I've always wondered what Kiesel is missing. The only things I can think of are an 8-string version of the Hipshot trem, offering to add a D-Tuna to the finished 6 and 7 string guitars, and more pickup options (which are on the way).

What options for the many guitars and basses do you guys think Kiesel needs?
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Cynical » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:40 pm

More pointy shapes. Especially an Explorer.

Sadly, it seems that pointy doesn't sell that well these days, so it's unlikey to happen.

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:30 pm

Pickups pickups pickups starting with an Alnico II PAF type and P90s. It's a glaring hole.

Also, a high upper fret access double cut slab body in short scale, set neck, and 22 frets.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby ElfDude » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:01 pm

Doctor Turn wrote:Pickups pickups pickups starting with an Alnico II PAF type and P90s. It's a glaring hole.


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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Doug » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:40 pm

ElfDude wrote:
Doctor Turn wrote:Pickups pickups pickups starting with an Alnico II PAF type and P90s. It's a glaring hole.


I know, right?


Yup! I'm feeling the same!

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Bob77 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:52 am

Doctor Doug wrote:
ElfDude wrote:
Doctor Turn wrote:Pickups pickups pickups starting with an Alnico II PAF type and P90s. It's a glaring hole.


I know, right?


Yup! I'm feeling the same!


X3!

PAFs and P90s....how can these continued to be ignored around here!
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Doctor Turn » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:02 am

On the humbuckers, just the difference in the mags makes a huge difference. Alnico V exerting the most pull and affecting the bloom. It's less of a big influence on P90's because there's just a single row of poles, but on a humbucker it definitely affects the bloom and decay of your notes, by allowing your strings freer reign against a softer pull, yet still delivering that gorgeous, classic rock and roll sound. I'm becoming less and less fond of V on humbuckers. I really just love those old Hagstrom humbuckers from the 70's, most tickle up on being a little louder than most (the pairs usually have a resistance around 8.3K ohms) so they crank really well, but the softer magnet delivers so much more of the free acoustic quality of the string to get all of those great bloom-decay phases that other pups can't keep. Also love the sound of CustomBuckers on those very high end CS LP's (which are Al. III), Manlius, OX4's... if Mark developed a home run version of this kind of pickups, marone a mi, paradise!
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:19 pm

I kinda want a CT3 with a plain maple top in aurora.


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