Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

USA Custom Shop Acoustic and Electric Guitars

Moderators: Kevio, ElfDude, JesseM, RockCrue, soundchick, ChrisH, peb, Mike Jones, Bundy

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:05 am

I am considering my next “woody” likely a Claro walnut topped SH550, looking for opinions on the body wood for a SH550.
Walnut neck and body might look great but I am concerned about the weight.
Walnut is very espresso bean looking to me and many of the body woods seem a little too red to go with it. I guess I am leaning towards Black limba and possibly tung oil the whole thing. Maybe royal ebony board and overlay. Any thoughts...
Mahogany
Koa
Black Limba
White Limba
Walnut
Swamp ash is not listed but might look good in summer ash
Last edited by dbone on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
spudmunkey
Elite Carvinite
Elite Carvinite
Posts: 15999
Joined: Jan 2008
Location: San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby spudmunkey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:51 am

I'm kind of with you on the mismatch of coloration between walnut and most other Woods. However, I think this can be mostly mitigated with a light-colored middle layer with the 3PB option. Especially if it's something as light as Maple or Ash.

Without that, I feel like my favorite Walnut top guitars have Ash bodies. Next would probably be Alder. Mahogany and koa seem too orange when compared to the sometimes slightly purpley Walnut... And black and white limba, to me, have just a slight bit too much green.
Last edited by spudmunkey on Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
gumbynotpokey
Elite Carvinite
Elite Carvinite
Posts: 7408
Joined: May 2010
Location: Western NC

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby gumbynotpokey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:53 am

see examples:

claro SH.jpg

hog body

claro BEM 2.jpg

walnut body
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Wife: C350, Claro top SH550, Vintage 16
Oldest: DC400M greenburst, C980TMW
Youngest: C750, GK1, CT624M Deep Black Cherry on flame, V3MC Celestion,
SH550 white/white, black binding, gold hardware
Me: LB70P jet black, LB70PF Claro BEM HAN, MB 10

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:09 am

In some ways white limba or a summer Ash seem a like a good match with walnut, kinda of like a just poured guinness look. But is it too much contrast hmm.
Gumby I would like to see some side and back shots on those they are both lovely.
Last edited by dbone on Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
JCG
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 2490
Joined: Mar 2014
Location: PA

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby JCG » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:17 am

Summer Ash or Mahogany should work well with the walnut top.

User avatar
Doctor Doug
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1457
Joined: Oct 2013

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby Doctor Doug » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:19 pm

Black limba will be heavy if you're worried about weight.
My black limba CS6 is heavier than my mahogany one.

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:52 pm

Doctor Doug wrote:Black limba will be heavy if you're worried about weight.
My black limba CS6 is heavier than my mahogany one.


I am of the understanding that Walnut is pretty heavy so yes it’s definetly a concern.
The SH550 is a semi hollow but I would like to avoid selecting all heavy woods.
I have read somewhere that black limba is heavier than white limba not sure how much.
i’m sure they all vary a bit.
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
spudmunkey
Elite Carvinite
Elite Carvinite
Posts: 15999
Joined: Jan 2008
Location: San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby spudmunkey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:16 pm

In brief comments in Q&A, Jeff's said that black limba is more like walnut in weight and tone, while white limba is more like mahogany in weight and tone.

HarlowTheFish
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 118
Joined: May 2018

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby HarlowTheFish » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:39 pm

Also keep in mind I think they're doing a chrome logo standard on the thing oil builds so they don't have to clear coat over it, so call in and ask.

User avatar
SilkyHotLicks
Carvinite
Carvinite
Posts: 550
Joined: Jan 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby SilkyHotLicks » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:17 pm

I feel that I may have a little bit to add to this conversation as I have these, a SH675, a C66 and a V69K all of which have a Claro Walnut top on a Walnut body.
Image
In addition I have a C7X with a Burled Maple top and Walnut body, a SH7X with a Quilted Maple top on a Mahogany body and a ZA7 on the way with Claro Walnut top on a Walnut body.

So in my opinion a walnut body is the perfect mate to a walnut top, if you don't mind the ~2 lbs difference over ash. My SH7X is the heaviest Kiesel that I own next to my V69K. My lightest guitar is a 6.5 lbs Godin Passion Custom with a Red Cedar body and a Swamp Ash top.

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:44 pm

SilkyHotLicks wrote:I feel that I may have a little bit to add to this conversation as I have these, a SH675, a C66 and a V69K all of which have a Claro Walnut top on a Walnut body.
Image
In addition I have a C7X with a Burled Maple top and Walnut body, a SH7X with a Quilted Maple top on a Mahogany body and a ZA7 on the way with Claro Walnut top on a Walnut body.

So in my opinion a walnut body is the perfect mate to a walnut top, if you don't mind the ~2 lbs difference over ash. My SH7X is the heaviest Kiesel that I own next to my V69K. My lightest guitar is a 6.5 lbs Godin Passion Custom with a Red Cedar body and a Swamp Ash top.


Do you recall the weight on the SH675?
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
SilkyHotLicks
Carvinite
Carvinite
Posts: 550
Joined: Jan 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby SilkyHotLicks » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:00 pm

dbone wrote:Do you recall the weight on the SH675?

It's 7.8 lbs.

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:04 pm

SilkyHotLicks wrote:
dbone wrote:Do you recall the weight on the SH675?

It's 7.8 lbs.


7.8 is about the same as my DC600
How do you like the tone on the SH675?
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
gumbynotpokey
Elite Carvinite
Elite Carvinite
Posts: 7408
Joined: May 2010
Location: Western NC

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby gumbynotpokey » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:10 pm

dbone wrote:In some ways white limba or a summer Ash seem a like a good match with walnut, kinda of like a just poured guinness look. But is it too much contrast hmm.
Gumby I would like to see some side and back shots on those they are both lovely.


claro fretless backside.jpg

there's the backside of the fretless

for the SH, scroll through this thread.... :) first post will have it!
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37719
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Wife: C350, Claro top SH550, Vintage 16
Oldest: DC400M greenburst, C980TMW
Youngest: C750, GK1, CT624M Deep Black Cherry on flame, V3MC Celestion,
SH550 white/white, black binding, gold hardware
Me: LB70P jet black, LB70PF Claro BEM HAN, MB 10

User avatar
Naked Ape
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 473
Joined: Sep 2015

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby Naked Ape » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:40 pm

Here are a few pics of Claro Walnut on Mahogany.
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.27.59 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.25.52 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.28.15 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.32.30 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.33.17 AM.png


This is Claro Walnut on top of Alder, with a middle layer of 'I believe' Mahogany.
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.23.10 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.24.02 AM.png
Screen Shot 2018-08-12 at 11.24.33 AM.png
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:02 pm

Ahh thanks for those, I found a swamp ash / claro for comparison

Image
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 am

here’s a couple white limba body pics

Image

Image
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
SilkyHotLicks
Carvinite
Carvinite
Posts: 550
Joined: Jan 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby SilkyHotLicks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:43 am

dbone wrote:
SilkyHotLicks wrote:
dbone wrote:Do you recall the weight on the SH675?

It's 7.8 lbs.


7.8 is about the same as my DC600
How do you like the tone on the SH675?

I really like it. It has S22 pickups and I use flatwound strings on it.

User avatar
dbone
Gold Carvinite
Gold Carvinite
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby dbone » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:16 pm

So my current build thinking is as follows
Claro topped SH550 with no f-holes and traditional headstock
Mahogany body with walnut neck and two mahogany stripes
Tung oil finish all over
black hardware with tamarind wood knobs
M22SD & M22N black
2V 2T controls
Dunlop straplocks
NIN no inlays
I am still debating in my head the following...
Stainless or gold frets and silver or gold Kiesel logo on
option 1
les variation ebony fret board and ebony overlay
option 2
les variation ebony fret board and claro overlay
option 3
Royal ebony fret board and royal ebony overlay
option 4
Royal ebony fret board and Claro overlay
any input welcome
dbones Lefties
DC150 M22T/M22V, DC150 M22SD/M22N
DC400A, K12B/K12N, DC600 M22SD/M22V, DC800 A80B/A80N
AE185 C22T/C22N/Piezo, AE185-12 H22T/H22N/Piezo
CT7M KL14B/KL14N, Bolt C22T/AP11/AP11, AC375, CL450, AC275K, SB5000 J99A pups

User avatar
Doctor Turn
Platinum Carvinite
Platinum Carvinite
Posts: 4773
Joined: Aug 2015
Location: NYC, sans rock clubs and 48th St.
Links/Contact:

Re: Body wood? for Walnut topped SH550

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:08 am

I would go for plain white limba. And ask for a lighter piece--and nice and plain, no beetle poo! I think that would work well as an organizing (visually) springboard for the phantasmagoria of the claro, and also as a very sturdy tonewood for the guitar to jump off from. The strong mids of the limba, just a bit more barky than mahog, would be a good fit imho.

I always find walnut very pretty, though not as much so as koa, but soundwise w acoustics, it's just an evenhanded, warm wood.. nothing that spikes in any particular region. I would go for a body wood that was still in the mahogany "classic body wood" category (ie for humbuckers and SH's, ie mahag, or koa, or either of the limbas) because I don't assign all that much contribution in sound to tops... but especially for a Kiesel SH with walnut, I would almost treat it as no wood at all on top, just a slight bit of added weight for cosmetic purpose. I would go white limba for just that little extra doink in the midrange. And the clean striking look.

The best semihollow wood I ever played was old growth Arctic birch.. but that was on an ES style laminate SH body (my vintage Vike). I think limba would put you in the same territory...

(This takes me into another longwinded, boring opinion, which is how I think a SH shouldn't have a heavy carve top, but something either laminated or that acts closer to a soundboard to react with all that reverberating space in the semi hollow body... but we all know that the Kiesel SH's, with that solid body wood, are much closer to solidbodies than they are to classic laminated thinlines, ES's, and jazzbo's.)

They're still super cool guitars, a thing entirely unto themselves. In a world of unlimited funds, I'd love to build out a koa FG, and a limba/birch 550.
Carvin Weaponry:
1985 DC150K (koa) Stereo, M22N/M22SD w/black hardware.
1985 100 Watt X Amp 2 x 12 combo (XV212) upgraded w/ 2 Vintage 30's
...and other gear.

https://soundcloud.com/the_heavy_clouds


Return to Kiesel Guitars / Carvin Guitars

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests