DC127 Intonation Issues

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DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby Tau Zero II » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:21 am

I'm transitioning from my Breedlove dreadnought acoustic guitar to my Kiesel DC127. The intonation on my acoustic is okay.

When I first got the DC127 guitar two years ago, I played a standard "D" chord and noticed that the intonation sounded like it was substantially out of tune. I took it to my local music store and had the intonation reset, with no apparent improvement. (The guitar tech noted that intonation can be set to be more accurate either higher or lower on the neck.)

Last night I sat down with my guitar and attempted to reset the intonation using the StewMac technique (open string contrasted with 12th fret - NOT harmonic). Initially, the fretted notes below the 12th fret sounded sharp, and the notes above the 12th fret sounded flat. (The intonation appears to have drifted somewhat overnight.)

The action seems to be fine, measuring 2mm at the nut, and 3 mm at the 24th fret.

What can I do on my end to fix this problem? Thanks in advance! :)

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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:30 am

Strange...if anything, if I could see a bridge saddle moving on its own, it would be to make the fretted notes *sharp*, due to the string's break angle pulling the saddle closer to the fretboard.

Since the saddles aren't locking, is it possible that they were just not quite in a solid resting position, and then overnight "popped" into place? :think:

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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby Tau Zero II » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:31 am

Excellent question. The end results are attached:
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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby Naked Ape » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:41 pm

Could it be...
- The DC127 frets are larger and the strings are lighter gauge than the Breedlove you're used to playing? If so, it's possible you are pressing a little too hard on strings, causing them to go a little sharp. Try pressing lightly, and close to the actual fret.
-Another possibility could be old strings... or new strings that are not properly stretched out. (broken in)

Just a couple possibilities. Hope this helps.

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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby Anitoli » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:03 pm

What are you using for a tuner?

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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby esc » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:22 pm

HI
How was your issue resolved?
I'm also having tuning issues on my new DC127.
Thanks

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Re: DC127 Intonation Issues

Postby theleftylair » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:31 am

esc wrote:HI
How was your issue resolved?
I'm also having tuning issues on my new DC127.
Thanks


I can give you Albert's email. He's the head tech at Kiesel. May be best to contact him and see what advice he can share with you to remedy the intonation problem.
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