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Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby vintagelove » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:26 am

So, just got off the phone with the “Custom shop”. I asked if it was possible to build me a custom guitar. Sure... Ok, I would like you to build me a guitar with a short scale neck (byrdland specifically). The answer,

"We are not capable of building a guitar with a short scale neck"

Now, I’m fine with being told to go elsewhere. However, they didn’t ask anyone else, they didn’t inquire how much i be willing to pay. Just no...


What I want, the old st300 body, 22 fret neck, 23.5 scale length, 1 knob, Wilkinson trem.


Carvin isn’t "capable" of making that???

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Re: Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby GuitFiddle » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:47 am

It's important to know what the company is, and what they do. They are not a custom shop, despite the verbiage and hashtagging and everything else. They are personalized production line instruments that will do occasional custom things like colors and unlisted woods, as long as it doesn't change core configuration. The best way to think of them is like a Jeep Wrangler. You can customize them a thousand ways but you can't ask them to build you one with a different wheelbase.

To get what you want, you'll have to go to an actual custom shop builder. Expensive, but from your post, money isn't your biggest concern. For that type of guitar, I'd reach out to the Jackson Charvel custom shop. Schecter is another good choice. Plan to spend in the region of 5k.
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Re: Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby vintagelove » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:54 am

I completely understand. Here’s the thing.

I’ve played carvins my whole life (I’m a lefty, so not many choices) when I want a "rock" guitar. They are great instruments, I’ve had multiple students buy them, etc.

They build long scale guitar.

Short scale ones are "not possible"?



Not to mention, there are no PRO options in that area. Lots of companies make a 22.5 instruments. How about a professional instrument for young people, hand injuries, small hands, etc?

Ever see what jazz guitar companies charge for their short scale models? There is a market, unfortunately, nobody is making a product.

https://benedettoguitars.com/guitars/pr ... ries/andy/

Oh well, I guess I’ll have to spend a bunch of money some place else.

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Re: Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:11 am

"Can't" is short hand for "have no desire to becuse we don't think we could sell more later to recoup the investment, because we are set up for reasonably high-volume production of 4,000 guitars per year, and the time it would take from our process to design it and set everything up, or to hand make it, would be prohibitively expensive, like several thousands of dollars, that it's likely not even worth their time to look into it. And/or we just don't like the idea."

They are "not possible" in the same way that you can't get a calzone at some pizza places. It's just not what they are set up to do. Could they do it? Perhaps if you threw enough money at it. I mean...just to get scalloped frets as an option, it cost the first customer who really really wanted it to pony up $500. And there will be an additional $500 charge for each new fretboard scale length or string count that someone wants to add. And that's on TOP of the $400 for the option itself, once the design cost/fee is covered.

Even when the ST300 model existed, they wouldn't have made you a 22-fret one. That model has been discontinued for years, and they currently have no neck-through 22-fret options at all. They've also stopped offering a Wilkinson bridge.

i've heard a veeeeeeeeeeeeeery loose rumor that they've toyed with the idea of a shortre-scale guitar with a headstock that would fit in a headless case. This was a while back, and it came from someone who heard it from someone who heard it form someone. It's entirely possible that they tried it, and felt that it wasn't something they felt good about offering for whatever reason.

In some cases, it takes a high-profile endorsed artist to want something before they'll do it. See: 7-string (Mark Okubo) and 8-string (Dean Lamb) pointy headstocks, a 24-fret "strat" mode (Greg Howe), headless guitars (Holdsworth), Evertune bridges (Andy james), Solo bass (Aaron Patrick) etc etc.

Actually, Frank Gembale got them to make, and offer, a 24.75" scale Zeus. And that's the only model it's available on. And only 6-string. And only fixed bridge. And only dual-humbuckers.


kiesel's also free to just make what they *want* to make. Warmoth doesn't sell neck-through models or set-neck models. They've found their niche, and don't plan to stray from it.

As for bennedetto...is it worth noting that the short-scale guitar you linked to has been discontinued for 9 years? I';; admit that I have zero idea if they offer others...I didn't dig any deeper than the provided link.
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Re: Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby Anitoli » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:14 am

Many Gibsons are 24 scale, they are not suitable? It's only a 1/2 inch difference?

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Re: Short scale guitar not possible without even asking? Price no object?

Postby amon » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:51 pm

They're not old school dudes making one-offs. They're programming CNC machines. You want a company like Texas Toast Guitars.


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